Bush pushes for amendment banning gay marriage.

[VladTaltos]

SSD i do think its wrong but what am i going to do one 17 year old boy how am i going to change it all i'm not in on the whole Christianity thing i just think its wrong now that i know you are gay i dont hate you i just think its wrong your a good person and all but your Sexuality is messed up i feel men should lust after wemen not men that is just what i think and Hussar im Not Christians but i belive that marrage should only be enterd by a man and a women in some cases families have been destoryed by a son being gay or daughter so that is what i feel and i am not likely to change what i think

[Sightspitter]

Okay, what I say may strike a nerve, it may not. I would also like to state that my opinion is not an educated one as I have not really paid much attention to said subject. I am just throwing in my two cents.

I have no problem with allowing a marriage between homosexuals on a governmental level as this country is "supposed" to be secular. It is right? I sometimes forget.

But being a Christian, I have a problem with marriages between homosexuals going on in a Christian church. As a Christian, I believe homosexuality is wrong, so therefore should not be allowed to happen in a Christian church or a Christian basis, if that makes any sense. Now before you start calling me a closed minded fool, I have no problems with a person who is homosexual, hell I know some really great homosexuals that would be great friends. I just have a problem with homosexuality itself.

That is my opinion, take it or leave it as you will.

[khyron1144]

Before I go into my rant let me make two things clear: I am heterosexual in my inclinations and desires, although I am without actual experience.
Two, I have been a Christian. I've got no quarrels with Jesus the 2,000 years dead Jewish heretic, who may have been the incarnation of the Hebrew God, or his teachings. It's his fan club that gets on my nerves. My main problem is that many Christians miss the essence or point of their principal teacher.

I have three points:
1) I think Jesus could get behind a political philosophy like anarchism, if such had existed in his time. He says judge not lest ye be judged and let him without sin cast the first stone and remove the plank from your own eye before going for the speck in your brother's. Yet, Christians seem to be the judgingest, stone-throwingest religion in the States with the biggest planks in their eyes.
To me, a good Christian if he believes homosexuality to be evil, should simply not be a homosexual himself. That's it. No hating. No judgment. No limiting the rights of others who see it differently.

2) Love is the only morality. Love is never wrong. Hate is never right. It's as simple as that.

3) In these times of overpopulation, heterosexuality is a bigger evil than homosexuality. Every child born is another nail in the planet's coffin and since gays don't naturally reproduce without outside help, they are less evil than heterosexuals.

[VladTaltos]

Christians say its evil because it says so in to Bible I have found that if you are gay you Have a Mental problem because when you grow up you like girls,wemen and thats how its saposed to be but if you like men you have a mental problem so you can call me a small mined fool i dont care you wont change my veiw and i cant change yours

[khyron1144]

I know I'll never change your opinion, and you'll never change my opinion. Let's call it a draw or an agree to disagree situation.


By the way (notice how I didn't use btw), you can convince a lot more people if your posts are in actual English with correct spellings, reasonably good grammar, and capitalization and punctaution where necessary. Not that I'm the absolute best there, but I do seem to be above average.



You seem to be a person of strong morals; care to tell me where my thinking is wrong-headed on my anarchism thread?

[ShonenSenshiDave]

Sight: Fine. No one is trying to force any denomination to perform a religious ceremony for gay couples; legally, marriage can be done at the JP. We just don;t want to be second-class citizens. We want not only the rights, but the equal status in terms of sanctioned relationships. That's not really an issue as the state does not have that kind of power. The state cannot force any church to do something like that. Look what happened with the Boy Scouts... they don't have to admit gays. The Elks (IIRC) were sued because they wouldn't allow women, and the Elks won. Women have never been able to successfully sue the Catholic Church over the fact that they cannot be ordained. So I don't believe that any church will be impacted by this.

[Sightspitter]

Well then I really have no problem with it. This is a secular nation, and as such should allow homosexuals to be married and have the same status as heterosexual couples. Like I said, my opinion was not educated, I just know what I've overheard on the news occasionally and that is not alot. So I guess, while I may not agree with homosexuality, in this nation, homosexuals have every damn right to have equal status.

[Galadon]

Give a inch take a mile. What's next, I feel I should have 15 wife's. and then we can forget anything about incest. Will if I love my brother or sister, why can't I marry them. I love my dog I should be able to marry my dog.

You may think I'm joking, but I'm far from it. Protecting marriage and keeping it the way it is between men and women does not make what I said before proper. In fact it will destroy marriage. What's the point in getting married.

[Hussar]

Ok, one more time.

Here's one for ya. I'm a white atheist. My wife is a Japanese Shinto. We were married three years ago. Is my marriage legitimate? I've got the little piece of paper that says Marriage Certificate on it. So, the government thinks that I'm married. If I tried to get another wife, they'd slap me down pretty hard. So, if two people, one of whom denies the existence of your God, another of whom worships an entirely different set of dieties can be married, why aren't you jumping up and down?

Surely my marriage is as big a threat to the moral sanctity of marriage as two men being married? Come on, not so long ago I would have been jailed or worse for saying I was an athiest. I certainly wouldn't be teaching. Am I not a direct affront to Christian doctrine? Is my wife not also?

But, because I'm a man and she's a women, the Church has no beefs. What utter hypocricy. What complete and utter ignorance. To allow me to be married without a comment, without a whimper or a criticism, but, heaven forbid that two gays get married. That will just lead to people sleeping with animals and having multiple wives. Because, as you know, being gay is a horrible crime against humanity, just like bestiality or pedophilia, or so says the Christian right. I can't believe that anyone would draw a paralel between homosexuality and incest in this day and age. What cave have you been living in?

Not that long ago, my marriage would not have been recognized in America. Simply because I'm white and my wife is Japanese. Maybe we should go back to that? Strip people of their rights simply because you can. Bah.

[EK - Shadow of Death]

A step in the right direction. The House of GA just rejected a proposal banning homosexual marriages.

[Galadon]

First, marriage between races or religion or other is not the same as same sex. What is the real point in getting married to the same sex. Come on it not just because you get along with the other person.

The contitutional process involves every state. and you have to have a 3/4 majority. The reason some people don't want to proceed with this is because there is a good chance it will pass and the contitution will be amended. There are alot more people in this country against same sex marriage than there are people for it. Just because the liberal bais mass media reports one side in there bias option doesn't mean the country agrees with them.

[Merkuri]

If you ask me, interracial relationships should be more taboo then homosexual relationships. Interracial marriages can produce "hybrid" offspring. Homosexual marriages can't produce anything. I don't see the harm. If they want to, why not?

[Challenger]

I think I'll try and keep my stance neutral on this subject but I do have one observation to make.

Lets just say Galadon is right and the majority of the United States of America is against allowing same sex marrages. Doen't the very concept of Democracy mean that it should be banned as it is the will of the majority?

Challenger

[Galadon]

The main purpose of marriage was to produce kids, having kids out of wedlock was a bad thing before. Kids were called a bastard. But the left made it a good thing so anyone could have a kid. When the kids grew up all screwed up it wasn't the leftist single parents fault. It is real simple you need two parents to raise kids properly.

Now how does being another race affect the kid. There a mom and a dad. and if they do it right the kid grows up and gets along with people. In my point of view I would not get married to a white american female. Because I know how they are.

I may be a athiest, and disagree on plenty of things the religious does and thinks. But I still see no valid reason for same sex people to get married. There are countries that wish they hadn't done it. Actually I think this is dodge so the politicians don't have to talk about other things.

[Merkuri]

Galadon said:

Actually I think this is dodge so the politicians don't have to talk about other things.

Actually, I agree. I think Bush brought it up to distract America from the other issues.