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Post by Hussar on Oct 3, 2003 23:59:17 GMT -5
I admit it, I like it. The story lines are fresh, the characters are much better done than any of the other ST series in the opening seasons anyway. The new plot line of the Expanse or whatever it's called smacks of Voyager, but with a much darker and meaner twist. The technology finally looks futuristic without looking cartoony. I mean, in one of the last episodes, a marine actually had a scope attached to a phaser rifle. Shock!
I think it's very well done and has really moved beyond sounding merely like a prequel.
What do you think?
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Post by Dr. Doom III on Oct 5, 2003 17:33:59 GMT -5
It sucks.
Gene Rodenbury must be turning cartwheels in is grave over the way Star Trek has been destroyed since his death.
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Post by Hussar on Oct 6, 2003 9:55:37 GMT -5
What's your problem with the show? I mean, it's infinitely better that Voyager, although, that's not saying a lot. Cool story line, interesting characters and far more realistic than previous serieses. I mean, hey, they finally put marines on a ship. About bloody time.
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Post by Dr. Doom III on Oct 6, 2003 13:38:09 GMT -5
It's not Star Trek.
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Post by Hussar on Oct 7, 2003 1:59:48 GMT -5
Oh, now there is a crushing criticism. Care to elaborate?
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Post by Dr. Doom III on Oct 7, 2003 17:24:48 GMT -5
No. It's not really worth it since I have found that when most people who like the show are confronted with the main criticism of the show, which invariably is continuity (like in this case) they roll their eyes and start talking about how continuity doesn't matter.
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Post by Hussar on Oct 8, 2003 1:44:26 GMT -5
Actually , that is one thing where I will agree with you. In the first season and in the second there were episodes that should not have happened. Ferengi in season 1 and Borg in season 2 are big examples of that. That I will give you.
Thing is, why write off a whole series based on a couple of bad episodes? For the most part, they have kept to the basic Trek history. The new season has been really good too. They finally added troops to the ship. The captain is not this superman, infallible character - he's human and he's on the edge. Also, it's nice to see that when something bad happens in one episode, it actually carries on to later episodes.
Is it the best Trek? No. Is it good enough to watch? Certainly.
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Post by DustinFireblade on Oct 8, 2003 21:28:04 GMT -5
Ironically I like the show but generally can't stand ST in general.
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Post by Cyberpaladin85 on Oct 9, 2003 23:08:07 GMT -5
I agree with you Doom. I don't like the show, and I don't like Star Trek either.
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Post by RavenCat on Oct 10, 2003 3:14:03 GMT -5
I can't stand Enterprise. All that stupid pushing of sexiness which seems to be "Let's have the girls take off as much clothes as they can!" Hello, Picard's sexy but never had to strip for it! The characters are generally insipid, the doctor must be killed. I don't know who they have as consultation for science, but his "Anthropology" existed in the 60s and is no longer supported. And with the number of pets that guy kept, can you say quarantine or rabbits in Australia? If you ask me, the only part I've like is when the characters interact w/ the doggy. And the Vulcans when they point out how stupid the humans are acting. But then the Vulcans are arrogant snots so whoever listens to them anyways. The best Vulcans were Spock and Sarek. They always exuded a certain calmness that no one's emulated as well. Can we say Deep Space Nine? Now there was a show w/ actors who cared about their characters, and writers who could give them a real life. How I miss thee, DS9. Admittedly I do base my judgements on the few episodes I saw in the first and maybe second season. But really, I don't have time to waste on the rest of it.
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Post by Hussar on Oct 10, 2003 5:04:17 GMT -5
The thing is, if you base your opinion of the show off of the first season and maybe the second, then every Star Trek series other than the original is utter and complete crap. Go back and watch the really early TNG episodes and you'll see what I mean. Even the first season of DS9 (Which I happened to have watched again recently) was not very good. It usually takes three or four seasons for any of the series' to get good. Even Voyager was watchable at the end.
I've heard the complaints about the sexiness of Enterprise and I don't really understand. In TOS, they had scantily clad women in every episode they could, with Kirk shtupping the alien chick too. Even TNG did that on occasion, although without Picard getting lucky. Admittedly, they may have gone a little too far in some episodes, and the Vulcan Chick only seems to be there because she has a great rack.
I say give it time and it will be a good show.
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Post by RavenCat on Oct 11, 2003 2:53:34 GMT -5
I agree that most shows do that a few years to get their legs underneath them. TNG was only getting good in about the last 3-4 seasons, DS9 needed a couple seasons, and VOY really only had good episodes that might be enough to make a season. But when I do see the commercials for Enterprise or tune in for the 10 min to see what the plotline is, there's really NO character that I like. And the absolute butchering of the timeline is just a huge turn-off.
Well it was the 60s, w/ every female officer wearing a miniskirt. But the women were comparatively strong characters for that era. Which may actually be the real problem. In terms of what the female characters did in the 60s and what they do now, there's not a huge leap. Sure, Janeway was Capt, but I think everyone agrees that she was the weakest captain of them all. With a lot of the female characters, they either seem incompetent(Troi for most of the seasons) or written to be munckinny(Seven) which was as annoying.
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Post by Little Blue Dragon on Oct 17, 2003 6:16:13 GMT -5
I like ST i think its a really good show there may have been a few dodgy episodes but other than that its great. I like all things sci fi and agree with Hussar its not fair to disregard a program from a few bad episodes. Well thats what i think
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Post by Merkuri on Oct 24, 2003 11:23:34 GMT -5
Oh, I could go on and on with criticisms of Enterprise. They go waaay overboard with the sex. I cringe every time they put T'Pal into a sexual situation. I remember reading in the TV guide before the show premiered that they predicted Hoshi would be getting all the action since she's the only non-vulcan female cast member. Whoops! Guess not! T'Pal's a VULCAN, for crying out loud! Every other episode in the first season included a character fantasizing about her, and of course that's what they showed in the previews, making it seem like she actually makes out with a crew member. And I'm not that well versed on ST lore, but wasn't Pon Far a strictly male phenomenon? I don't mind sexuality on a show, but only if it serves a purpose. Captains and first officers flirting with girls only to be tragically separated with them at the end of the episode is plot. Crew members smearing cream on other scantily-clad crew members is not plot. That's just a shameless where-else-can-we-put-sex attitude. The contiunity I don't mind as much. I just laugh and ask why we never heard of this tragic disaster that killed seven million people in the other shows? We heard about World War III and a host of other mass-casualty events. Was this event just so tragic that everybody blocked it out of their memories? I didn't watch too much Enterprise in college, opting for Farscape reruns instead (oh, and don't get me started on that...), but I had heard about the season finale and its shameless hack-up job of the plot because the producers were't satisfied with the show. "Let's see if we can attract more viewers if we randomly kill millions of people!" I watched summer reruns anyway, mostly because there wasn't anything else on on wednesdays and I was starved for scifi anyway (don't get the sci-fi channel at home). I taped the rerun of the season finale when I couldn't be there for it, just for the heck of it, and watched it one night while playing on the computer, only half paying attention. I snapped to full attention as they showed the taped transmission of the vulcans in the expanse. Then I re-wound the tape and watched that whole scene again. They're going into THAT? I had to admit, that was one of the damn most creepy things I have seen on any Star Trek show to date. I thought I was gonna have nightmares of vulcans smashing their heads into walls and wiping blood on their faces. I was actually looking forward to seeing what was in this Delphic Expanse. I guess the moral of my story is that no matter how much I criticise the show, I find myself watching it anyway. I haven't missed an episode in the new season, although the vulcan transmission is still the best part of the expanse I've seen.
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Post by Hussar on Oct 24, 2003 23:49:06 GMT -5
Have you seen Episode 5 where they find the Vulcan ship? Now that is cool. Nice and scary.
They seem to be moving off the sexuality stuff this season. No more cream smearing episondes, and the one love interest does disapear at the end of the ep ;D. I think they've really done a good job at turning the series around. A LOT darker than previous series'. I mean, come on, I don't remember any captain threatening to toss someone out an airlock. It looks like the writers finally want the captain to be human and none of this poncy "We're from the Federation, so we NEVER do anything bad" crap.
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