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Post by Treva on Oct 15, 2003 15:07:41 GMT -5
I figured I would make this thread to discuss some of the intresting aspects of Warhammer 40k...
I have seen alot of the new Codex's comming out and on many other forums's people are saying stuff like "Space marines are going to be comming out next and when they do they better get a shi-t load of new stuff or I'm going to be peeved off"
What are your thoughts on this little notion?
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Post by GIR on Oct 16, 2003 1:44:52 GMT -5
i say good, if you have seen Chaos, WOW, they are the best and have millions of opions, i with the darkeldar were like that.
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Post by Treva on Oct 16, 2003 6:53:29 GMT -5
And yet my Simple honor guard still masacres the best of what they can put out  Honestly I have constructed a blood angel's honor guard that if you don't use weapons that have eight strength or higher then it wont kill the honor guard. 4 of the model's in the group are equiped with power claw's and the other 6 are equiped with power weapons. They all have melta bombs and they start in a land raider. 4 have terminator armour, they all have melta bombs. most have plasma pistols and the 4 terminator's with a lightning claw are mastercrafted in both close combat and at a range so with their plasma pistol they re-roll failed rolls to hit and in close quarters they re-roll failed rolls to wound as well as to hit. On top of that they each have 5 attacks, 6 when they charge and get +1 strength +1 initiative for charging. I have yet to see a chaos army put out something that has been able to kill this bugger unit. |
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Post by Omote on Oct 16, 2003 8:55:37 GMT -5
The Space marines are getting ANOTHER CODEX?!?!?! OMG, if that is true, it only solidifies the reason why I don't play that game anymore... GW with 40K inparticular is finding more and more ways to rip off the people that play that game... sheesh.
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Post by Treva on Oct 16, 2003 9:32:18 GMT -5
Well codex's arn't that expencive and Space marines have been due for a update for about 3 years now so ya I'm ganna be happy when it comes but untill then I'm ganna be happy with what I got...
They dont update it that often Omote... If anything I wish they updated it more.
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Post by GIR on Oct 18, 2003 2:13:47 GMT -5
Im goin with the new rules, and useing the Standard Battle chart.
First only Death Company get the ignore injury, and that you have to roll, also you dont get much upgrading, just jump packs.
The +1 Str and +1 Int is only if they charge and only on the first turn.
X01 Leader 30pts ( I took the cheapes one that can have a Honour Guard, with basic items)
X09 Honour Guard 18pts
X09 Power Weapons +10pts (they cant have Lighing Claws)
X09 Melta Bombs +04pts
X09 Terminator Honour +10pts
Land Raider +250pts ( only 9 honourguard can be used, if you want to use a land raider you forgot the leader.)
X01 Leader 30pts (With items that come with him)
X04 Honour Guard 18pts
Cant have Teminator Armour, or Claws, or any of the items you said. so that cant happen.
Average cost of a Super Guard is 42pts
Stats
WS=4
BS=4
S =4 (5) (if they charge, and only on the first turn)
T =4
W =1
I =4 (5) (if they charge, and only on the first turn)
A =1 (5) (if they charge, and only on the first turn, with two weapons, and Terminator Honour, and +1 for charge)
Ld=9
Sv=3+
Wargear: Power Weapon, Melta bombs,bolt pistol
Chaos :
Bloodletters 26pts
WS=4
BS=0
S =5
T =4
W =1
I =4
A =2 (3) with charging
Ld=10
Sv=3/5+
Wargear: Power Weapons
They also Troops, and come in squads of 5 to 15
They do have Instability but with a Ld of 10 it does not happen much. and got to be summoned, and if in a world eater army, they come in second turn on a 3+
Also
Chaos Chosen (honour guard)
up to 1000pts game up to 10 chosen
1001 to 2000 game up to 20 chosen
2001 to 3000 game up to 20 chosen
3001 and up, up to 40 chosen
4 to 19 can form a retinus for a lord. and 5 to 20 can be a elite chose.
Chosen 17pts
Champion +10pts
Power Weapon +10pts
Bolt Pistol +01pts
Melta Bombs +05pts
Furious Charge +3pts
point cost to make one 46pts
Also they can get lighing claws, and even better things like deamons gift. like Inv SVs and more attacks and Str and Toughness.)
That alone should say that Chaos can rape Blood angels. if yo uwould like tell me how many points you play in a game. and ill do a better army. this is just some units)
Also it looks like you dont know the newest blood angel rules. i have the books, i can give them to you if you need the
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Post by Treva on Oct 18, 2003 8:48:11 GMT -5
LMAO
The characters such as Apothocary, techmarine, Veteran Seargent, And standard bearer can take additional equipment alowed by the Space marine army. The apothocary dosent however cause he can't get the Exsanguinator then. Take the exsanguinator and your honor guard gets a 4+ save against ALL non-obliterating weapons. And take 2 and they get 2 consecutive saves. Take a 3rd apothocary and vuala you have to fail 4 saves in a row against standard firepower. ;D
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Post by Treva on Oct 18, 2003 8:50:48 GMT -5
And they can take ANYTHING from the space marine army... Trust me pall this honor guard with 2 characters and a land raider is worth 1500 points on its own
After refineing that I can make up a 3000 point army... Only use model's you have now cause I dont wanna go through the whole "I have a invincible army design... Unfortunatly its way out of most people's price range.
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Post by GIR on Oct 18, 2003 12:43:08 GMT -5
Narthecium : its only the first save of the turn that is failed, in the unit and cant be used if Apothecary is in base contact with a enemy model Exsanguinator : the first save is good, but after that you run risk of killing him. and cant be used in close combat. Also The exsanguinator replaces the Narthecium, and only the Sanguinary (High or not) Priest can use them, one from the Apothecary turned Sanguinary priest. that is two tops and only in one squad. becasue the High priest is a 0-1 its a RE-roll, not a 4+save, so its 3+ really. Also im not saying that "I have a invincible army design" your the one that said "I have yet to see a chaos army put out something that has been able to kill this bugger unit." and i am showing it to you that you dont, its cool and all ill admit, but when you said that i had to prove you wrong. "Trust me pall this honor guard with 2 characters and a land raider is worth 1500 points on its own" Im not saying that its cheap, so i dont know what your trying to prove?? it costs a lot, i thougth i proven that in my last post. with the point costs. Also Terminators cant have Plama pistols, only combi-plasma. and thats only a one shot. so a melta one would be better. as for cost, try ebay, you get good stuff on there, take this deal cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3149437752&category=7389when i checked it 25 blootletters for $5.23 You can get them on avrage for $1 each. that is just a sweet deal. and if you dont want to or cat use ebay, then that is not our fault. me and my buddy can get good deals on warhammer models, becasue we do know that cost a lot. |
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Post by Treva on Oct 18, 2003 13:49:16 GMT -5
The Exsanguinator can't be used when the Apothocary is in close combat so I just keep them out. And if the first one fails then a second picks up the save with his exsanguinator. It says in the description. "Whenever a model takes a wound" so another apothocary can make the save to save his life and try again on the model the first failed on. I called games workshop and they cheered me for finding the combo... They also said they would probably have it removed by 4rth edition... So I can't have fun forever.
And I was including Brother Corblo... But thats only if the players agree to special characters.
Either way I win... Nothing but obliterating weapons can touch this squad.
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Post by GIR on Oct 18, 2003 14:22:00 GMT -5
*shakes head,
you forgot bloodletters, and chaos have there oun Hounor guard. your staying away from most of the topic. just the parts you want to hear, you still can only have a max of two in a group. and if any one that plays with you and does not gte the apoacary into close combat well they need to relearn the game. also with the new assult rule, he can only not be inclose combat in the first round, after words he has to pile in, its in the new rules. so you dont win, im ripping your amy aprt here, your forgetting rules. i admit i forgot about the apothatcary wargear. but that does not make your army god like.
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Post by Treva on Oct 18, 2003 15:43:53 GMT -5
You shouldent get so mad about it at the same time.
Chaos have their own honor guard but that matters little to me because they dont have the exsanguinator... And I am aware of the new assault rules so thats why each honor guard gets average of 4 attacks multiplied by 9 is equil to 36 strength 5+ hits that dont allow armor saves. Chances are they will kill whatever they are fighting or if not leave it so wounded that it can't really make a counter attack. And even with the new assault rules I can simply be sure that they CANT make it into combat so I can have a second round of extreme action as well.
The enemy army will be heavily wounded by army at the same time by means of my death company charging forwards with devistator's and tactical marines covering them. I have Baal predator's to really loosen up the enemy then when the honor guard finaly descends upon the enemy they are already crippled and are nothing more then meat for my honor guard and death company. ;D
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Post by Challenger on Oct 18, 2003 17:41:28 GMT -5
Either way I win... Nothing but obliterating weapons can touch this squad. In my experience the only thing that can claim that title is the Wraith Lord and then with the correction. "Only if there are no imperial guard or dark eldar armys arround" Added on I've watched my Terminators die to gretchin on an all to regular basis and I've also watched my scouts sweep all before them. (Unless they get shot first turn or run into a Chaos Lord. I've lost death company to las-guns (embarising) And watched then take down an entire army on their own. The dice can take that 10 man super unit and destroy it with 10 unlucky dice roles One thing I have noticed you use a Land Raider as a transport? So your slower than normal meaning I've getting atleast one turn of shooting off. So every melta weapon I have shoots the tank which will hopefully destroy it stun it. Well now your honour guards sitting in the open so I do two things. First every krak missile and lascannon not used to knock out the raider is aimed at them. Next my assult units attack them hitting first and causeing all kinds of mayhem. Unless this is a seriously big game that many points killed should win me the game. (You do however know this honor guard is worthless vs Dark Elder right?) Just thought of something. The two weapons Choas can bring to bear that will wipe out that combo. Basilisk and Vindicator  Challenger |
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Post by Treva on Oct 18, 2003 18:56:21 GMT -5
1st turn From hiding the Landraider comes around and behind some other peice of terrain. If not it gets the honor guard a little closer before it blows.
2nd turn Land raider gets the men up into the enemies face and dumps off the Honor guard... If not the honor guard move up and assault either way.
3rd turn the honor guard are in combat and I will do everything in my power to keep it that way using sweeping into advance and the like... aditionaly the red thirst really helps me get them into your face.
And if a unit is in close combat then you can't shoot them.
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Post by GIR on Oct 19, 2003 0:44:08 GMT -5
again forgetting about the bloodletters, the almost always get charge, into you, and they have invanrable armour, so they still get a save, but you dont ,adn they can outnumber you almost 2 to 1. and thats final, you must have not seen the new bloodletters, becasue anyone who sees them would know they are powerfull. and Chaos get the same thing as you, so they can not only match you but beat you. they can do the same thing, if not better. your so much a n00b with warhammer if you think you can always win.
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