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Post by Galadon on Oct 29, 2003 17:27:12 GMT -5
 I did this else where and I'll start this here to. I travelled alot. One hobby I have been doing for the past 27 year is body laguage. It just a figure of speech, but I can read people like a book. It gets down to, your body doesn't know how to lie. You can be an excellent fibber, verbally, but if some can read your body language, they know the truth. Body language covers you and the space around you. Ever heard someone say `it's not what you say it's how you say it.` So I ask you do you believe this exsist or is it a myth.
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Post by JSUN on Oct 29, 2003 17:32:40 GMT -5
I definately believe tht you can 'read' a lot from a person by their body language. There are plenty of people in criminal investigation and anti terrorism that do it as a part of their jobs. However, people can train themselves to alter their physical behavior to give off false readings and signals. Its very hard to do and requires an immense ammount of knowledge and practise but it is possible (in my mind, anyway).
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Post by RowanMoonWynd on Oct 29, 2003 20:33:28 GMT -5
I definately believe it is true, and I also believe that people can train themselves to give false signals, not only during being questioned by a person but also on a lie detector test. Mind control is a powerful thing!
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Post by LadyWinterWolf on Oct 29, 2003 20:45:32 GMT -5
I definately believe it is true, and I also believe that people can train themselves to give false signals, not only during being questioned by a person but also on a lie detector test. Mind control is a powerful thing! I'm agreeing with Rowan here. With all the talk about reading body language, and the many shows in TV alone describing how law enforcement uses it to "read" people......more and more people are learning how to get around its truth, how to manipulate it for their own ends. Personally, I've used certain types of body language when I've purposely wanted to get a point across.....hammer that nail into place so to speak. |
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Post by Draxy on Oct 30, 2003 2:12:06 GMT -5
The ladies have it nailed.
Like any other tool used by one man (or woman, I'm using man in the generic "mankind" sense here) to read another, as soon as it becomes popular in a more public venue than simply in, say, psychological circles, which the reading of body language did in the late fifties, the counter of it also begins to become popular. In this case the disguising of of the body's "language" in a way not dissimiliar to lying verbally.
The concept, by the way, is extremely old. The Japanese have historicly made a practice of reading and understanding the "haragei" or "belly language" of aperson with whom they are dealing, as a intregal part of both business and normal societal interaction for several centuries.
Now, it is still rare to run into a "sheep" (or robot or whatever negative perjorative that you might apply to Joe Average who does try to use and abuse the system) that is aware enough of it to disguise their intentions in their body language as well, but it surely does happen some nowadays. Especially this happens among "professional crazies", the people who see social services as a dodge and use the Emergancy Intervention system that is in place in many countires to get attention they feel they lack otherwise.
You'ld be surprised what you see about people working in a social services venue. Some of these people are amazingly talented at "lying" in ALL aspects and facets of life.
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Post by JSUN on Oct 30, 2003 2:36:06 GMT -5
The ladies have it nailed. Draxy I aint no lady!  JSUN |
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Post by Draxy on Oct 30, 2003 3:27:15 GMT -5
I beg your pardon JSUN.  Mea culpa, mea tutti culpa! Draxy |
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Post by Galadon on Oct 30, 2003 13:03:53 GMT -5
This is a area in people that is not gender specific. The people who have a upper hand on this is people who can read people and understand what their seeing.
Body language is a subconscious action and mostly uncontroled. There is a good reason why you don't wear sunglasses to a poker game. Or when someone tells you to look them in the eye and say something again. When you get excited, by getting a good poker hand or lying, your pupils dilate. You can not stop your pupils, but you can learn how not to because excited.
When I was younger I read a book called body language by Julius Fast. In this book he saids there nothing new in this book, just information people haven't learned. But he does tell people reading his book field study is required. As he wrote, the most ignored words in the book are, "Not everything in this book has to be true."
A man is standing on the corner of a street with his arms crossed. Is he defensive? It's 20 degrees outsise. Now is he defendsive or cold. You have to take the surrounding conditions in to your reading. everything you see is just in general terms, untill you talk with that person or people you know.
Now I have had this hobby for 27 years. So I can tell the different types people are, and yes there are only a few types of people. It's is told my their words how they say them and how they carry their body. But their is one rule that I alway follow.
The prime directive of body language
Never tell people about themselves, people only want to hear good things. So if you directly tell something about themselves and they think it's negative, they will get defendsive. This is a automactic respond in humans. You can talk about it in general or about other people but if you tell them they might think of you differently.
This came from experience.
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Post by Ahnemesis on Oct 31, 2003 14:29:25 GMT -5
I know that those who know body language can read alot into a person by watching them. I was never good at it. When I'm approached I immediantly take a step back, regardless the distance between. I just about keep my arms over me somehow to protect from intrusion. And I turn away alot when asked a question directly. I am shy in real life. Ahh the internet...I wouldn't be like this any other way! |
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Post by CharleHu$$tle on Oct 31, 2003 14:37:32 GMT -5
Actually Homie i know how to bet a lie detector. Don't believe me. Trying
Is your name CharleHusstle
2+2=10 No
Holly Crap He is right
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Post by MrLemurBoy on Oct 31, 2003 15:42:24 GMT -5
I agree with body language revealing things people don't want to reveal, and also in it being used to convey just what you want people to know. Case in point, I've been taking martial arts for a while, bouncing from dojo to gym to dojang as I've moved, and one of my old sensei's was a real stickler about body language. You weren't allowed to cross your arms in class (and were discouraged from doing so outside of class as well) because it represents hostility and can therefore trigger agression in others. We weren't allowed to lean against the walls because it showed we were being lazy and disrespecting the sensei. Etc. etc. That was when I first understood just how much of a role body-language could play.
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Post by Wyrmfire on Oct 31, 2003 15:46:42 GMT -5
Well, in that case it may have been a case where the sensei was trying to give you a certain body language as well as take it away. Arm crossing and leaning also convey a sense of a "casual" situation- he probably wanted to unconsciously reinforce teh formality and rigour of a dojo.
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Post by MrLemurBoy on Oct 31, 2003 15:53:28 GMT -5
Oh, yeah, that's definately part of what he was doing as well. In the dojo, there was supposed to be a sense of order and discipline, so I can definately see him trying to instill the proper body language to maintain that atmosphere. Hard to maintain discipline when everyone is slouching around.
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Post by Galadon on Oct 31, 2003 16:04:48 GMT -5
I knew a man who was in the martial arts for 22 years. He always stood in the same way, hands together below his waist in front. The reason he did this was it was the least threating posistion. and if anyone attack he could easily block an attack.
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Post by Galadon on Oct 31, 2003 17:13:35 GMT -5
Everything I say, may not apply to everybody, but enough people do things where you can expect them to act in the same subconsious way. Case in point go to a party and watch a few couples, when they are sitting it's easier to see this.
When the man is talking, how can you tell if the woman is interested or not. Look at the way her body is leaning. If it leaning away or legs pointing away, from the man, chances are she not the interested and is just sitting there. If she leans towards him It's generally a good sign she is interested.
If woman are interested beyond just casual they play with their hair and there are other signs. Now the hair twirling doesn't happen to often so find a woman you know and watch when they around a guy they like and not going out with.
A good sign to see if some cares anything about what your saying. They make eye contact for more than a few seconds. If a woman is looking around the room while tossing one or two word anwsers at a man, It's time for the man to move on.
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