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Post by Merkuri on Dec 3, 2003 16:37:59 GMT -5
I've heard that they're worse off now than when the Taliban was in power. Everyone's starving and living on the streets. Of course I agree with you that the US media hasn't been talking much (at all) about the issue. Do you have any news stories you can point me to, Gal, just so I can read it for myself? My sources were word of mouth and I have no idea how reliable they are.
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Post by CharleHu$$tle on Dec 3, 2003 17:11:20 GMT -5
Hey I feel Sorry for the innocents that get cuaght in the crap. Just like those 5000 people who died on 9/11
When you try to stop a larger threat Causelties happen
it's not right but it's nesscary
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Post by Galadon on Dec 3, 2003 17:13:14 GMT -5
I'll take a look, but I for one do not believe things are as bad as some will say.
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Post by Galadon on Dec 3, 2003 17:21:35 GMT -5
I find it funny, comparing President Bush with a communist, in a country that runs over it's own people with tanks and has more human rights voilations than a country should have. Maybe he got a 20 minute ovation from people who wanted to stay healthly.
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Post by CharleHu$$tle on Dec 3, 2003 18:27:15 GMT -5
LOL I say BOMB them more
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Post by Cyberpaladin85 on Dec 3, 2003 20:06:29 GMT -5
Fighting fire with fire I see... So, Osama is trying to give people HIV and AIDS eh? I agree with C$ about Saddam; he HAD to go. But that wasn't why we went to Iraq.
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Post by Hussar on Dec 4, 2003 2:49:32 GMT -5
A few points here: First off, C$, I don't know where you got that little piece of scientific trash, but that's exactly what it is. Even if the protozoah could survive being ingested (which they can't), the AIDS virus cannot be caught that way. The same way as you can't get it from spit or drinking from someone else's bottle. Learn a little science before repeating this crap.
Secondly, you can jump up and down and cry bigot all you want, but Bush is still popular within the US and very unpopular outside of the US. That means when I say Bush makes us nervous, I'm generally referring to people outside of America. I'm talking about how Bush has completely ignored all other issues. Issues that, in many country's minds, is just as important.
You think America is the first nation to ever have a terrorist attack? Come on. The Europeans have been dealing with terrorists for the past century. On a nearly monthly basis in some cases. Yes, 9/11 was a horrible thing. But, it wasn't the only thing.
There are two problems that I see with the war on terror. First off, it has been a complete and utter failure. 100% it has failed. Why did we (and I say we because most of the world supported this) invade Afghanistan? To get Bin Laden. Did we get him? No. Fail. Why did America invade Iraq? To find and destroy WMD's. Did you destroy them? No. Fail.
See, the reaction that I'm seeing here is pretty typical. If someone questions Bush, we are automatically a liberal anti-American. Which is utter crap. The reason that the Chinese president got a better reception from these countries is because he is helping these countries. He isn't simply pushing his own agenda to the exclusion of everyone else's. He is, shock and horror, working with other countries instead of simply telling them what to do.
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Post by nonameapparent on Dec 4, 2003 9:36:37 GMT -5
Ironicly USA supported Saddam in many years and ignored his constant violations of human rights because of an filosophy that " he maybe an asshole but he is our asshole" and if he hadn`t invade Kuwait noone would gave a pair of dingos kidneys about the suffering of the iraqic people.
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Post by Merkuri on Dec 4, 2003 10:21:38 GMT -5
We put Saddam in power and we trained Bin Laden. Right now all we're doing is cleaning up our own messes, and making other messes in the process.
And C$, did you know that every single day more innocent children die of hunger than the number of people who were killed on 9/11? While here in the US we throw out tons and tons of food every day. Admittedly we are trying to help and not all of our food donations get where they're trying to go at no fault of ours, but we could do more. THIS is why the world hates us, because we sit up on our high horse hoarding money and food while the less fortunate starve.
I'm not saying we're wrong to do so. I'm not saying that we're right, either. Only that its understandible that we'd be the target of so much hate and terrorism, and the best way to stop it would be to try and get rid of the hate, rather than the terrorists themselves. We kill terrorists, we get martyrs and breed more terrorists. Geeze, think of all the suicide attacks. These people would gladly give their lives to hurt us. You can't fight people by taking away what they'll gladly give.
EDIT: And another thing I never understood. North Korea said that they had nuclear weapons and that they'd use them against us. Iraq said they didn't have nuclear weapsons, and even if they did they wouldn't use them against us. So where do we invade? Iraq. Makes no sense to me. Especially when basically everyone in North Korea is eating bugs off the empty streets because they have no food and don't even know what it feels like to not be hungry and their capital city has buildings that are incredibly beautiful but are structurally unsound so they can't be used and streets where a car might drive by once a week. I just don't get it. Ever look at a satelite picture of the Korean penninsula at night? It looks like South Korea is an island. North Korea is completely black. They have the technology, they have power, they're just not allowed to use it.
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Post by CharleHu$$tle on Dec 4, 2003 13:04:49 GMT -5
Hey I will be the first to Admit Hussar Bush is a retard without a divers Liecnse. But Bush is only one part. Namely a Figure Head. He is Unpopular in the states to. So Don't go saying only non American's Don't like Bush.
but Since we are Stuck with his texas Ass we have to make do. Now for that trash. hey maybe it is. but my Homie who works for NBC leaked it to me. So I went with it.
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Post by Galadon on Dec 4, 2003 13:43:10 GMT -5
What issues is President Bush ignoring, just a couple will do. Now that we have to be the world's baby sitter along with being the worlds police. Why didn't Europe do anything about Bosnia, are they just a little closer. But it's easier to complain than do something.
Invade Afghanistan, a typical socialist responce (we call them liberal's in America)
Was the taliban a corrupt government, ask a afghan woman what they think. Did the taliban help and have terrroist training camps. I find it amazing the only thing some people focus on is Bin Laden.
The US went to get rid of the taliban, and get rid of terroist training camp and the terrorist including Bin Laden and 22 other top level terrorist.
Invade Iraq, I heard some people from Iraq are gald that a burtal dictator and his sons are kick out. The sons are dead and the US is still there. Why are people in other countries so mad, maybe because they can't get anymore of the sweet heart deals they got before. Maybe they support terrorist.
Just because we help a person today and a year later he turns against us. So this means we are not to help anyone outside of America. We helped sadam before, strange logic. If someone goes bad you take them out.
Wait lets have the UN talk about things. For 12 years the UN did nothing. Walk around Iraq looking like complete fools. The UN is worthless, Iraq has had 12 years to hide and move all the WMD to Syria. While the UN said there is nothing here.
How many coutries have to be bombed and people killed before the socialist wake up. I don't think the number is high enough for socialist to ever wake up. To many just want to stick their head in the sand and blame President Bush, that's the easy way right.
And just to further gall the liberal's in this country. President Bush's popualary is growing, 69 percent yestersay. just for a reference Clinton never got above 50 in 8 years.
Let's see who would I rather meet President Bush or the sex pervet Clinton.
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Post by Merkuri on Dec 4, 2003 14:16:29 GMT -5
Gal, if we went into Afghanistan to depose a corrupt government why aren't we doing anything about North Korea? The North Koreans are in a much worse position than the Afghani women. The Afghani women might not have not been able to show their faces or hold jobs, but the North Koreans have no food, and if they dare to say they're hungry they go to prisoner camps that bear a huge similarity to Nazi concentration camps.
The USA is the largest and most powerful nation in the world by a considerable margin, and up until a short while ago we had a very admirable standpoint that we will not start fights be we sure as hell will finish them. Now all of a sudden we're starting fights, claiming we're being the world's police force. Whose laws are we enforcing? Our own? Isn't that pretty narcicistic to think that everyone likes our laws? And if we're doing it in the name of human rights then why the hell aren't we in North Korea??
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Post by Wyrmfire on Dec 4, 2003 14:24:35 GMT -5
We aren't in North Korea because they have nukes, plain and simple. Anyone following their statements at all can see that their government is insane (and not in the way that Hussar means when he talks about Bush. I mean stark raving mad), so we can assume that they will be willing to use them to stay in power. If we invade North Korea right now, WE WILL BE NUKED.
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Post by Merkuri on Dec 4, 2003 14:36:03 GMT -5
So we only go after the guys who won't hurt us back (we hope)? That seems pretty cowardly. I'm just upset that we seem to be doing nothing at all about this, yet we're holding ourselves up as all superior in a moral sense. I don't wanna get nuked any more than anybody else, but like you said the guy's insane! We probably have as much chance of getting nuked regardless of what we do, so we might as well try to take him out before he gets trigger happy.
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Post by Wyrmfire on Dec 4, 2003 14:42:23 GMT -5
Well, we only go after the guys that won't kill everybody in California in six seconds. If they get trigger happy, then there's not much we can do about it, but we KNOW we will set them off if we invade. If you want to risk the lives of ten million people to prevent human rights violations for half that number, be my guest. Personally, I would smile and make no sudden moves until we get a reliable defense against nuclear weapons(the reasearch of which was also complained about, go figure). Call that cowardice if you want.
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