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Post by Hussar on May 17, 2004 3:54:26 GMT -5
Heh, Chahiero, before you go trumpeting the cleanliness of the Canadian Forces, I would suggest you take a look at events in Somalia that led to the dissolution of the Airborne Regiment.
We are hardly blameless for things like this.
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Post by khyron1144 on May 21, 2004 12:01:57 GMT -5
I heard a thing on NPR that said the soldiers formally accused of the abuse of Iraqi prisoners had experience in the United States correctional system, which got them the job running the prison in Iraq. Here's the big surprise: similar sorts of abuses actually occur more often in U.S. prisons than people know about or admit.
So, the United States comes out ahead of third world dictatorships in how we run our prison system, but is behind the rest of the civilized world. I'm talking in terms of level of humane conditions and so on.
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Post by Galadon on May 22, 2004 13:36:19 GMT -5
Abuse and torture. Yes I can see the crule American's are simply terrible by putting womens underwear on prisoner's heads and leading them around naked. That is much more horrible and mean than chopping some one's head off.
I'll have to remember that, humilate BAD, chopping parts of your body off doesn't seems to bother the liberals as much.
How many of you out there were in the Iraq prison at the time of all this torture. Do you claim to know the whole story or what the American liberal mass media told you. I wasn't there, I don't claim to know the whole story. But I see the liberal bias mass media is all over this and American military is worse than what Saddam did.
Well in my humble opintion, most of the mass media in this country are scum and a waste of energy. They lie just to get rating and I refuse to waste time watching lying scum.
One thing to remember Liberal starts with a Li
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Post by Challenger on May 22, 2004 14:56:02 GMT -5
Galadon the enemy does bad things so we are allowed to do bad things agruement doesn't fly.
I think an MP in WWII summed it up best when asked why he objected to bombing civilian centers in German as after all the Germans started it, he replied that we shouldn't take the devil as our example. (or words to that effect anyway wish I could remember the real thing)
Now as much as I take anything the media tells me with a grain of salt. (Especialy after it took less than a week to prove that one paper in England had faked pictures of British Soldiers abusing prisonners) However both our countries have been proven to be breaking international law on PoW rights.
For example see that camp in Cuba. How many years in prison without trial again?
And unfortunatly Blair's got a similar camp in England holding prisonners without trial.
Realy starting to worry about quite where we're heading. Didn't Hitler start out this way?
Challenger
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Post by Galadon on May 22, 2004 17:51:52 GMT -5
Even though I would like to on some people, because they deserve it. I would not allow abuse of people if I could stop it. Unless you where in the prison at the time of alleged abuse I wouldn't believe much of what the media says. Being in the Marine Corps for seven years I know of alot of things that went on the civilians have no idea about.
I'll give you a senario, your a sergeant over in Iraq a Colonel and a man in a suit walk up to and say "Take that prisoners clothes off and pose for a picture. Refuse or tell anyone about it and I'll send you to the worst duty station we can find and make bad reports in your service record."
Now what would you do. Remember if you tell anyone about it it's your word against the Colonels and the man in the suit. Who do you think others will believe.
Why I think the liberal media is scum
Dan Rather had a interview on TV a few years back he was asked a question.
"If you had information the would save 100 hundred US military and lose a story. Would try and save the military or cover the stroy and let the US military die?"
Dan Rather said he would go on with the story.
During the 96 presidental election, Peter Jenning must have been tired. He was asked on live national TV if the liberal media was bias?
His answer that couldn't be edited because it was live. "Yes were bias for the demorats. There is nothign you can do about it. We will show the republican in the worst way we can."
This and many other reason is why I think the liberal mass media is scum. But they are losing, why, The internet. You no longer have to watch news anymore.
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Post by Chahiero on May 22, 2004 18:09:58 GMT -5
... and that is why television seems to be going to new lows.
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Post by Galadon on May 22, 2004 18:24:58 GMT -5
And get's lower all the time.
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Post by Chahiero on May 22, 2004 19:30:23 GMT -5
I wonder if at some point they will find some theoretical lowest point that it can reach.
To be fair, the internet has A LOT of crap on it too.
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Post by Hussar on May 23, 2004 6:13:15 GMT -5
And, of course, because DAN RATHER said it, it must be 100% true without a shadow of a doubt. Gimme a break.
Sure, the underwear thing is one thing. Howzabout the 38 dead prisoners? Oh, we're going to ignore that, cos we don't know what's going on. Snort.
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Post by Galadon on May 23, 2004 14:35:52 GMT -5
Well say it's true because they were asking Rather's opintion on a made up story.
There is tons of crap on the internet. but just like the TV has a off switch. I only look at what I want.
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Post by Hussar on May 23, 2004 22:06:02 GMT -5
Now AIN'T that the truth.
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Post by khyron1144 on Jun 1, 2004 23:36:35 GMT -5
Abuse and torture. Yes I can see the crule American's are simply terrible by putting womens underwear on prisoner's heads and leading them around naked. That is much more horrible and mean than chopping some one's head off. I'll have to remember that, humilate BAD, chopping parts of your body off doesn't seems to bother the liberals as much. How many of you out there were in the Iraq prison at the time of all this torture. Do you claim to know the whole story or what the American liberal mass media told you. I wasn't there, I don't claim to know the whole story. But I see the liberal bias mass media is all over this and American military is worse than what Saddam did. Well in my humble opintion, most of the mass media in this country are scum and a waste of energy. They lie just to get rating and I refuse to waste time watching lying scum. One thing to remember Liberal starts with a LiHumiliation is mental/ emotional abuse. To a certain extent it's not as bad as chopping off someone's hand, but you can't really claim moral superiority when you abuse prisoners too, just in a different way. I'm not a liberal. I'm an anarchist. All (ab)uses of power offend me. Anarchism is conservatism carried to its logical conclusion (no big government to no government; no excessive taxes to no taxes, etc.) and liberalism taken to its logical conclusion (complete and total civil liberites and freedom and equality for all). I wasn't there. I don't know the exact situation. I do know the pictures look pretty bad and we've given these people another excuse to hate us (like they needed any more). This may be less bad than what Saddam Hussein did to his own people, but the way to moral superiority is to be better than rather than simply less bad. Let me give you an example: It is less bad to have a five pound weight dropped on your foot than to have a ten pound weight dropped on your foot. It is better to not have any weight dropped on your foot at all. That's what we are: the five pound wieght. In my opinion most people are scum, whether they are in the media or not. And remember: Conservative starts with con.
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