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Post by Challenger on Aug 17, 2004 4:41:36 GMT -5
Actualy thats not half bad plan (for once)
Though I still object to the assumption that Iraq is somehow the rest of the worlds problem.
Challenger
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Post by Merkuri on Aug 17, 2004 9:08:24 GMT -5
It became our problem when we barged in and ousted their leader. (Note by "we" I mean the world, though the US is mostly at fault.)
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Post by Galadon on Aug 17, 2004 12:31:44 GMT -5
Your kidding right.
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Post by Merkuri on Aug 17, 2004 12:36:31 GMT -5
Who, me?
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Post by Galadon on Aug 17, 2004 12:40:55 GMT -5
Well I know you are, but mostly Hussar.
he he he
The Kerry plan, let's see we'll get to that in a bit. But what did Kerry just say the other day, hmmmmmmm, oh yeah "I would invade Iraq even if I knew there were no WMD."
Yes I know you think I just made that up.
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Post by Challenger on Aug 17, 2004 12:47:06 GMT -5
I've already said I think you've got a bum choice for president. Both are idiots, one made the choice and the other happens to agree that WMD were not a prerequest for invasion.
Challenger
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Post by Hussar on Aug 17, 2004 21:30:21 GMT -5
Yes, Gal, I do think you made that up. Until you start providing sources for what you say, why should I not think that? You've played very fast and loose with the truth in the past, so your credibility is seriously lacking at the moment. To be fair though, there is an article in the LA Times about what Gal did say though. It's annoying to have to check everything that Gal says though because he seems incapable of providing a source. Although, when did I make any statement about Kerry opposing or approving of the invasion? When did I make ANY such statement? So how can you be countering a point I never made?
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Post by Galadon on Aug 18, 2004 13:34:08 GMT -5
Oh I am wounded, I don't supply sources, . Hey Hussar did you know you and sometimes Merkuri are the only one I come across who even said anything about sources. Why this strange (in good sort of way).
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Post by Merkuri on Aug 18, 2004 16:59:31 GMT -5
Maybe we're the only two here who know how to officially debate. You back up your arguments with data, which is validated by sources. No sources and your argument is worthless (in an official debating sense).
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Post by Hussar on Aug 18, 2004 23:54:20 GMT -5
Well, from an academic point of view, simply stating something as fact without any support is useless. In any reasoned discussion, you must be able to support your facts with accredited resources. Otherwise, how can you prove that you aren't simply making things up?
From a personal standpoint, I've spent way too much time on various websites discussing politics to not back up what I say with actual facts. It's far too easy to bury someone in a discussion when that person refuses to support their statements with any sort of outside soures.
In other words, simply coming out and saying that x is bad because I believe it to be so is, well, pointless. Without any evidence to back up your opinion, it carries absolutely no weight.
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Post by Merkuri on Aug 19, 2004 9:49:07 GMT -5
I tend to leave out sources when discussing in a forum like this one simply because it's hard to find things like that online and I'm just plain lazy. But in school I've learned the value of backing up your data with sources.
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Post by Hussar on Aug 19, 2004 9:59:44 GMT -5
As I said, I spend way too much time on these kinds of sites. I like to talk politics (gasp) and it's gotten to the point where not backing up a claim is just leaving yourself open to scorn.
Besides, if you take the 30 seconds to get a Google toolbar, you can look up facts in about 10 seconds. Not exactly difficult.
Otherwise it comes down to a conversation that looks something like this:
Person A - I believe X is bad. Person B - Really? I think it's good. Person A - Yer an idiot, of course it's bad. Person B - No I'm not. Yer an idiot. It's good.
Wash, rinse repeat as needed. Because of the nature of a forum discussion, there's really no excuse other than laziness for not supporting your arguements.
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Post by Merkuri on Aug 19, 2004 11:01:43 GMT -5
Yeah, well you try and find out whether there have been any terrorist attacks on US soil by Iraq in the last 20 years before Sept. 11th. There's just too much info on Google about terrorism and Iraq that if I use either one of those terms I'm going to be wading through sites until rapture. I usually make an effort to find sources, but in cases like that I get lazy. I know I heard it somewhere, it's just the "where" that I can't find.
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Post by Galadon on Aug 19, 2004 15:12:58 GMT -5
Continued on Bad guys II
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