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Post by khyron1144 on Feb 14, 2004 18:06:38 GMT -5
I don't see a locked icon the original thread, yet there is no reply button.
Galadon posted:
Okay, you could download a whole album with a peer to peer program, but why would you? The store bought version of the CD comes with a lyric booklet and often other goodies like a bonus DVD.
Almost everyone uses these things to preview an ablum before buying rather than to completely replace buying albums. Is there anything wrong with that, really?
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Post by Hussar on Feb 15, 2004 5:23:24 GMT -5
*The Gorilla saunters in wearing a Mod hat* The thread is not locked, nor has there been any violations that I am aware of. It simply got eaten by the PHP monster. Feel free to continue that discussion in this thread.
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Post by Loki3 on Feb 15, 2004 12:13:31 GMT -5
If the issue is the legality of music downloads....
Ime with the Music Industry TO A POINT.....
Lets face it I agree CD's are over priced to the point of being insulting. However music artists have a right to have there work protected....
If a web site started taking the works of Tolkien, Weiss, Hickman, Salvatore and started putting there books in a PDF for free download..... the site would get shut down, and the law suits would fly.
I agree with the RIAA or whatever they are called that free music downloads should be stopped.... They should. After all what right do we have to basically do something illegal. And not pay for something we are using, trading, etc......
We dont do it with books. We dont do it with other forms of media..... Now I DO NOT agree with there heavy handed approaches.... they should hit the web sites and there owners.... NOT the 14 year old kids that downloaded it.....
After all it has been tolerated so long,..... it sorta became there fault. If they tried to enforce there (c) in the very begining then the problem would not have been this big.
Over priced or not.
We dont have the right to simply not pay for something that legally we should.
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Post by Galadon on Feb 15, 2004 15:30:23 GMT -5
Sometimes the site goes out of wack. and you can't post. This has happened a number of times.
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Post by khyron1144 on Feb 15, 2004 21:05:12 GMT -5
If the issue is the legality of music downloads.... Ime with the Music Industry TO A POINT..... Lets face it I agree CD's are over priced to the point of being insulting. However music artists have a right to have there work protected.... If a web site started taking the works of Tolkien, Weiss, Hickman, Salvatore and started putting there books in a PDF for free download..... the site would get shut down, and the law suits would fly. I agree with the RIAA or whatever they are called that free music downloads should be stopped.... They should. After all what right do we have to basically do something illegal. And not pay for something we are using, trading, etc...... We dont do it with books. We dont do it with other forms of media..... Now I DO NOT agree with there heavy handed approaches.... they should hit the web sites and there owners.... NOT the 14 year old kids that downloaded it..... After all it has been tolerated so long,..... it sorta became there fault. If they tried to enforce there (c) in the very begining then the problem would not have been this big. Over priced or not. We dont have the right to simply not pay for something that legally we should. I halfway agree with you. I think good bands have a right to make money. I think bands that just plain suck or that used to be good but have fallen off in recent years shouldn't be able to earn a living making music. I think that downloading music from Morpheus or similar can help a person sort out which is which. You kind of missed my central point which is: Almost everyone uses peer to peer sources to preview an ablum before buying rather than to completely replace buying albums. Is there anything wrong with that, really? |
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Post by Hussar on Feb 16, 2004 6:27:35 GMT -5
That's most certainly not true. Go on something like Limewire or Morpheus and you can find books, games, movies, your favorite TV shows, you name it. The music thing is just the tip of the iceburg. Once really high bandwidths become common, there's simply no stopping people from downloading just about any form of media.
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Post by Merkuri on Feb 16, 2004 8:39:22 GMT -5
My dad downloads audio books all the time. I buy the things I listen to, but it's hard to say no when he offers me a copy of a book I wanted to read, especially when the "real" thing costs $50 and lasts me about a week with my commute. Right now I'm working my way through my legally acquired copy of the 4th Harry Potter. It's not just music.  |
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Post by Hussar on Feb 16, 2004 19:33:52 GMT -5
One other point is, you could cut the price of music in half and still pay the artists exactly the same. The amount an artist gets from each sale is so small as to not really matter. It's the recording companies that are jacking up the price to just silly levels.
Think of it this way. Computers have come down in price every year. I can buy a PC with a CD burner for under a grand. Well under. Yet, in the 20 years that CD's have been out, CD's have not dropped in price and have, in fact, gone up. Now, how does that work?
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Post by Galadon on Feb 19, 2004 16:05:26 GMT -5
I'm not going to say concerts and cds are cheap. In fact I haven't been to a concert in many moons, well add 20 more many on that. ine reason the price, and ticket master who sells the ticket inflates it and keeps the good tickets for others. CD's cost more because they last for a very long time.
What I heard is the people in the bands complaint.
`Do you get your food for free."
`Do get your car repaired for free."
But since it's on the internet you should get you music for free. No I agree with the musicians, it's not the couple of song people that is the problem. It's the never bought a CD yet and have alot of music.
How many of these kids walk in to a store and a CD lands in their pocket, and say.
"Well it was free on the internet."
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Post by Merkuri on Feb 19, 2004 16:08:55 GMT -5
Yes, downloading music without paying for it is wrong. But it's a symptom of a greater problem, and chasing down every illegal downloader is not the answer. Lower prices and pay-to-download services may be the right way to go, we have to see. Already pay-to-download sites are wildly popular.
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