Enviromental wackyness

[ElrosTarMinitarsus]

To be honest, the jury will be out on this one for decades to come. So its a loaded question to ask if they are right or wrong.

[Galadon]

Of course I'm being mean.

I mean how in the world are you going to arue with professors who been doing truth in enviroment for how many years.

 

[ElrosTarMinitarsus]

WHo said anything about being mean?

[Galadon]

I did just a post ago.  

[ElrosTarMinitarsus]

OK, have fun!! ;D

[Hussar]

Umm, just a quick question.

Why is it, when a group of respected scientists agree with conservative thinking, they are simply telling the truth, but, when another group of respected scientists, including a number of Nobel prize winners, DISAGREES with conservative thinking, they are a bunch of liberal nut jobs with a political axe to grind?

An interesting view of the "conservative" mind.

[ElrosTarMinitarsus]

Because "some" people need something to aurgue about....

[Galadon]

Because the other side doesn't give names, places etc. Giving an obscure reference beg for a few jabs.

[ElrosTarMinitarsus]

Please expound on you answer....

[Hussar]

Gal, you really should read more than the Enquirer when making statements. In reference to the signatories I mentioned above:

RSI Signatories
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Sample of prominent signers

Signers include 48 Nobel laureates, 62 National Medal of Science recipients, and 135 members of the National Academy of Sciences. See the entire list of signers, here.

Note: Italicized names are those of the original signers of the statement
National Medal of Science *
Nobel Laureate õ
Crafoord Prize #
National Academy of Science ^

Andreas Acrivos * ^
City College of the City University of New York

Edward Adelberg ^
Yale University

Eric Adelberger ^
University of Washington

Peter Agre õ ^
Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine

Don L. Anderson * # ^
California Institute of Technology

Philip W. Anderson * õ ^
Princeton University

Nancy C. Andreasen *
University of Iowa College of Medicine

Francisco J. Ayala * ^
University of California, Irvine

David Baltimore * õ ^
California Institute of Technology

Paul Berg * õ ^
Stanford University School of Medicine

R. Stephen Berry ^
University of Chicago

Rosina Bierbaum
University of Michigan

Nicolaas Bloembergen * õ ^
University of Arizona

Felix Boehm ^
California Institute of Technology

Paul D. Boyer õ ^
University of California, Los Angeles

Lewis M. Branscomb ^
Harvard University

Ronald Breslow * ^
Columbia University

Robert H. Burris * ^
University of Wisconsin, Madison

Dr. John Cairns, Jr. ^
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University

Eric Chivian õ
Harvard Medical School

Joel E. Cohen ^
The Rockefeller University

Eric Conn ^
University of California, Davis

Robert W. Corell
American Meteorological Society

F. Albert Cotton * ^
Texas A&M University

James Cronin * õ ^
University of Chicago

James Crow ^
University of Wisconsin

James E. Darnell, Jr. * ^
The Rockefeller University

Margaret Davis ^
University of Minnesota

Mark Davis ^
University of California, Berkeley

Johann Deisenhofer õ ^
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center

Theodor O. Diener * ^
University of Maryland

Carl Djerassi * ^
Stanford University

Paul M. Doty ^
Harvard University

Renato Dulbecco õ ^
Salk Institute

Paul Ehrlich # ^
Stanford University

Herman Eisen ^
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Thomas Eisner * ^
Cornell University

S. Walter Englander ^
University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine

William K. Estes * ^
Indiana University

John B. Fenn õ
Virginia Commonwealth University

Christopher Field ^
Carnegie Institution of Washington

Gerald D. Fischbach ^
Columbia University Medical School

Edmond Fischer õ ^
University of Washington

Val L. Fitch * õ ^
Princeton University

Jerry Franklin
University of Washington

Gerhart Friedlander ^
Brookhaven National Laboratory

Jerome Friedman õ ^
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Mary Gaillard ^
University of California, Berkeley

Richard L. Garwin * ^
International Business Machines Corporation

Murray Gell-Mann õ ^
Santa Fe Institute

John H. Gibbons
Former Science Advisor to the President

Walter Gilbert õ ^
Harvard University

Sheldon L. Glashow õ ^
Boston University

Marvin L. Goldberger ^
California Institute of Technology

Lynn R. Goldman
John Hopkins School of Public Health

Peter Goldreich * ^
Institute for Advanced Study

Kurt Gottfried
Cornell University

David Grimes
University of North Carolina School of Medicine

Roger Guillemin * õ
Salk Institute

Henry C. Harpending ^
University of Utah

Richard Havel ^
University of California, San Francisco

Dudley Herschbach * õ ^
Harvard University

Roald Hoffmann * õ ^
Cornell University

John P. Holdren ^
Harvard University

Norman Horowitz ^
California Institute of Technology

H. Robert Horvitz õ ^
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

David H. Hubel õ ^
Harvard University

John Huchra ^
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics

Daniel H. Janzen # ^
University of Pennsylvania

Leo P. Kadanoff * ^
University of Chicago

Eric R. Kandel * õ ^
Columbia University

Anne Kapuscinski
University of Minnesota

Daniel Kleppner ^
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Walter Kohn * õ ^
University of California, Santa Barbara

Arthur Kornberg * õ ^
Stanford University School of Medicine

Lawrence Krauss
Case Western Reserve University

Herbert Kroemer õ ^
University of California, Santa Barbara

Neal F. Lane
Former Science Advisor to the President

Robert B. Laughlin õ ^
Stanford University

Alexander Leaf ^
Harvard Medical School

Leon M. Lederman * õ ^
Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory

David M. Lee õ ^
Cornell University

Anthony Leggett õ ^
University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

Simon Levin ^
Princeton University

Gene Likens * ^
Institute of Ecosystem Studies

William Lipscomb õ ^
Harvard University

Jane Lubchenco ^
Oregon State University

Michael C. MacCracken
International Association of Meteorology and Atmospheric Sciences

Lynn Margulis * ^
University of Massachusetts

Paul A. Marks * ^
Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center

Douglas S. Massey ^
Princeton University

James J. McCarthy
Harvard University

Harden M. McConnell * ^
Stanford University

Jerry M. Melillo
Woods Hole Research Center

N. David Mermin ^
Cornell University

Matthew S. Meselson ^
Harvard University

David Michaels
George Washington University

Charles D. Michener ^
University of Kansas

Mario Molina õ ^
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Walter H. Munk * ^
University of California, San Diego

Joseph E. Murray õ ^
Harvard Medical School

Louis Nirenberg * # ^
New York University

Marshall Nirenberg * õ ^
National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute

Michael Oppenheimer
Princeton University

Gordon Orians ^
University of Washington

Douglas D. Osheroff õ ^
Stanford University

Jeremiah P. Ostriker * ^
Princeton University

George E. Palade * õ ^
University of California, San Diego

W.K.H. Panofsky * ^
Stanford University

Eugene N. Parker * ^
University of Chicago

Martin L. Perl õ ^
Stanford University

David Perkins ^
Stanford University

Thomas D. Petes
University of North Carolina

Gregory Petsko ^
Brandeis University

Norman Phillips ^
National Weather Service

Stuart Pimm
Duke University

Robert V. Pound * ^
Harvard University

Ron Pulliam
University of Georgia

Norman F. Ramsey * õ ^
Harvard University

Stuart A. Rice * ^
University of Chicago

Anthony Robbins
Tufts University School of Medicine

John D. Roberts * ^
California Institute of Technology

Wendell L. Roelofs * ^
Cornell University

Allan Rosenfield
Columbia University School of Public Health

John Ross * ^
Stanford University

F. Sherwood Rowland õ ^
University of California, Irvine

Janet D. Rowley * ^
University of Chicago Medical Center

Vera Rubin * ^
Carnegie Institution of Washington

Eli Ruckenstein *
State University of New York at Buffalo

Liane Russell ^
Oak Ridge National Laboratory

Edwin E. Salpeter # ^
Cornell University

Allan Sandage * #
The Observatories of the Carnegie Institution of Washington

William Schlesinger ^
Duke University

J. Robert Schrieffer * õ ^
National High Magnetic Field Laboratory

Dana S. Scott ^
Carnegie Mellon University

Andrew Sessler ^
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory

Roger N. Shepard * ^
Stanford University

Robert Silbey ^
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Richard Smalley õ ^
Rice University

Franklin Stahl ^
University of Oregon

Jack Steinberger * õ ^
European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN)

Joan A. Steitz * ^
Yale University School of Medicine

Felicia Stewart
University of California, San Francisco

Henry Taube * õ ^
Stanford University

Saul Teukolsky ^
Cornell University

E. Donnall Thomas * õ ^
Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center

George Tilton ^
University of California, Santa Barbara

Kevin Trenberth
National Center for Atmospheric Research

Myron Tribus
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Daniel Tsui õ ^
Princeton University

Harold E. Varmus * õ ^
Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center

Gerald J. Wasserburg # ^
California Institute of Technology

Robert A. Weinberg * ^
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Steven Weinberg * õ ^
University of Texas, Austin

Frank H. Westheimer * ^
Harvard University

Gilbert F. White * ^
University of Colorado

Eric Wieschaus õ ^
Princeton University

E.O. Wilson * # ^
Harvard University

Edward Witten * ^
Institute for Advanced Study

Lincoln Wolfenstein ^
Carnegie Mellon University

George M. Woodwell ^
Woods Hole Research Center

Donald Wuebbles
University of Illinois

Charles Yanofsky ^
Stanford University

Herbert F. York
University of California, San Diego

Bruno Zumino ^
University of California, Berkeley

That enough names for ya?

[ElrosTarMinitarsus]

He will say no for sake of aurgument.....

[Galadon]

Elros is answering for me now

Why did it take you so long to put up names Hussar.

I don't see what the confusion is. "We don't have enough information yet."

There is plenty of information to make a inform decision. The only point is are you willing to accept the information or believe the babble of a few who have to much time on their hands.

I read an article about a tree hugger claimed to save the red woods. This is the kind of arrogant busy body that should be taken as a joke.

"I'M IMPORTANT, I SAVED THE RED WOODS!"

The Red woods in California have been around a little longer than this guys 71 years, quite a bit longer. Yet this guy saved them. How did you do that Mr. tree hugger, (delusions of grandeur) He must have a ego like a black hole. The only thing you can say about the enviroment for sure is, change and there are still patterns.

But we in the civilized country's put up with them, enviro wackos are rather funny with the stuff they come up with. It's like a side show circus.

[ElrosTarMinitarsus]

Well, all I can say is that he "saved" them from getting cut down.... I guess? ?

[Galadon]

How long have the red woods been here?

[ElrosTarMinitarsus]

that is totally off the point. He saved them from man-made distruction;ie the saw.....