Old or New??

[Nikolai Plogojowitz]

My vote is old

[CosmicHorror]

Same

[Iron Bonny Shades]

what, nobody mentioned the savage world version

[Nikolai Plogojowitz]

Sorry about that...I have never played the savage world version

[OceanWhysper]

just popping in to fix a thread problem....enjoy all

[Iron Bonny Shades]

Nikolai said:

Sorry about that...I have never played the savage world version

Probably because it isn't out yet

[Iron Bonny Shades]

I have played all three version and while each has their merits, I am in the mood to argue for the black sheep system


Why d20 deadlands?


I prefer the deadlands d20s for the following reasons.

1. Familiarity: Most gamers are fairly familiar with the system and it isn't very hard to change over. It is easier to obtain players, when they know the system.

2. Lethality: Deadlands Classic is an extremely lethal system that isn't always hospitable for bringing new players in. It's a little disheartening when you finish building a complex an interesting character only to die on the first shot. With the d20 system, once you past the first few levels, you can somewhat survive a lot of situations while your learning the basic rules.

3. Simplicity: I congratulate Shane on his combat system which has a few merits. However, sometimes figuring out the damage and injury of a character can really bog down on gameplay. The card system is neat, but it does slow things down a tad. Additionally, there is often a complaint about putting points into a skill doesn't automatically improve your chances of survival. A while ago, a friend of mine made a probability chart that shows that a d12 isn't nearly as good at receiving the high results as a d10 and d8. d20 uses a simple, higher is better paradigm, for ease of use.

4. Wind: A few of my players have complained about how classic deadlands deals with non-lethal damage. They deem it as a litle...long winded It often slows down and complicates combat.

5. Additional Sources: If a rule doesn't mesh well with the rules, then it is fairly easy to fix with another persons book. For example, I really like the mecha d20 rules for vehicles, and am starting to integrate them with the steam punk designs. It runs clean and does a good job, especially emulating the steam punk design of the stuff in S&R.

Now let me state for the record, that I do like the classic system. I just feel that sometimes, we get in this mode where we think it's us vs them, whether it be religion, political systems, and rpg.

I think it needs to stop.