Paladin/ Assasin do the two mix?

[REJAR]

Ok I know that this is a touchy subject but its somthing I've been toying with lately. Heres the sync

I play a paladin of Cyric, which most of you know is a evil as evil gets God, I kill poeple in the name of Cyric and now I would like to take some lvls in Assasin to better sever Cyric. But my sis who is the GM is saying that I can't (oh were playing a very evil campanie)
She is saying that to do that I need to first go rougue then Assasin. Btu to me it doesn't make any sense I sever an evil god and do evil things. Why not let the evil paladin become an assasin.

So here was the deal my sis made if I posted it and some one could come up with a good argument for the palassain then she let me do it so please help a guy out so I can be really evil.

[LadyWinterWolf]

Not knowing much about Paladins myself, but what you're basically saying is that you're an anti-paladin already, and want to add assassin skills to your character?


Just a note of warning, if this thread goes the way of paladin/assassin threads from another site......expect it to be DELETED.

Everyone talk nice, and be sensible.....thank you.

[nodwyck]

aaand here we go again.

1. The clergy rule. Any divine caster should be within one alignment step of her deity (in cyric's case, it's CE/CN/NE)

2.alignment rules: Paladin - LG only. 2E assassin - any nongood. 3E assassin - any evil.

If we're talking about 3E, it's not necessary to be a rogue first, although whatever your DM says, goes. In 2E, assassin is a thief kit.

3E pro palassassins: BoED has the prestige class - can't remember the name. For ex-paladins, trade in the paladin leveis for blackguard levels (if you have 11+ pally lvls), then take up asn lvls if you meet the prereqs. Still, if your char isn't LG, he's not a paladin.

[EK - Shadow of Death]

Looks good to me, but I still can't conceive of the character concept - how this guy thinks and acts that makes him a paladin

[REJAR]

It a totally evil campain and the GM said that in this case I could go with CE but still start playing as a paladin but then when we get high enough that I can trade them in for the Black guard then start to cross class in to assasin. but she would rather that I go black guard /rogue /assasin

For the conspet is that Cyric word is all and to say any less means death and my chactor get dreams (or he thinks he does )from Cyric that tell him to kill this infadel so that what I do so I want to be better at killing the infadels so i thought assasin woudl work out best for my chactor

[Merkuri]

Assasin, sure, but it's the paladin that I'm not sure about. Even given that a paladin could be an evil "champion" instead of a good one, I still feel that paladins should be lawful. The definition of a paladin is a champion with an extremely strict rules of conduct. I guess you could adapt that to evil, but not chaotic. IMHO, the lawful part of a paladin's aligment doesn't come from his god or even his cause. He doesn't defend "lawfulness" like he does "goodness" (or "evilness" in your case). He's lawful because of that code of conduct. If you eliminate that part then you're not really a paladin anymore. Now you're just a cleric.

But if your DM let you do it then it's too late to change that. Assuming your paladin is fine then I don't think you should have any problems becoming an assasin (assuming you meet the PrC/kit requirements, of course).

[REJAR]

Hey thanks for trying guys but then mighty Sharess said
" that there was no way in god's green earth that she would allow for me to play a palassin. And if I was going to keep up this nonsence that the hand of god would smited me"

But thanks for trying guys

[nodwyck]

character classes aside, your character might think that he's a paladin, and that Cyric is the true good or true Law. And if your character isn't actually clergy, he could be of any nongood alignment. If you have that CE warrior, he could be just insane, seeing peasants as devils and whatnot. You don't have to be a ex-paladin to get the Blk prestige, although it helps. It's possible that your character doesn't even know that he heeds the call of the Prince of Lies.

[Loki3]

Going back to one of the most fundamental and basic tenants of Dungeons & Dragons....

And the one EVERYONE seems to forget.

Dungeons & Dragons is a framework by wich the DM makes HIS or HER world..... The Dungeon Master is all seeing, all knowing, and who say is FINAL.

The Dungeon Master is the one who has the ability to change ANYTHING.... yes folks ANYTHING they want in the game, world, books, rules etc....... If the Dungeon Master decides to allow a.......

Anti-Paladin
Pallassin
Dark Paladin..

Whatever you want to call it, then so be it. The trick is that the DM needs to ensure BALANCE..... ensure that they are not throwing off the balance of the game...

For those of you that quote the rules..... BAH ! you are missing one of the BASIC principles of the game you play. The rules are not really rules.... they are guidelines wich the Dungeon Master can alter as they see fit. Quote your page numbers, paragraphs......... this is a fundamental violation of the basics...........

If you dont think the evil Paladin, or the Palassin is OK then fine DO NOT ALLOW IT in YOUR world...... and vice versa....

I have read tons of debates on this on the net, and they allways amuse me...... Why is something so NON debatable so debated..........

Simply put.

AD&D / D&D Regardless of Edition is something that any DM can manipulate and change as long as they are consistant and to ensure the play they induce is fun and balanced....

The dont call em Dungeon MASTERS for nothing...

[darthvegeta800]

It's pretty absurd having a Paladin always stuck to LG. He could fall to LE or CE. (though most likely LE) but he'd need to draw his powers from Dark Magic plotwise (perhaps conversion along the road). But seeing himself as a Paladin is quite possible. In a lot of fantasyworlds religious orders seeing themselves as just and pure might have fallen into fanatic madness.