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Angry
Oct 22, 2003 23:18:11 GMT -5
Post by RowanMoonWynd on Oct 22, 2003 23:18:11 GMT -5
I was watching the news tonight and saw a story on how a two month old baby girl was brutally beaten by her father. They called 911 because they said she fell off the couch and when they got her to the hospital and started x-raying her they found that she has brain trauma, both her arms, legs, and ankles were broken and I think they even said her ribs were crushed, along with a few more injuries that I can't think of right now. They don't know if she'll make it out of the woods. I get so angry (enraged) when I hear stories like that. My heart goes out to that poor baby girl and I would give anything to take her in my arms and give her all the love I possess. What the hell is wrong with people who do things like that to a poor innocent baby. Then after that story they had another one on another little girl I think was five who died because of her injuries from abuse. They said she died slowly and painfully.............Gods those poor babies..........my heart bleeds for them..............
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Angry
Oct 22, 2003 23:23:02 GMT -5
Post by Anastas on Oct 22, 2003 23:23:02 GMT -5
Stuff like this makes me want do to the parents the very thing they did to their kids. RMW, I bet if you did some digging, you'd find out daddy was abused, too. He's beyond saving at this point and sadly I think the baby is, too.
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Angry
Oct 22, 2003 23:39:36 GMT -5
Post by RowanMoonWynd on Oct 22, 2003 23:39:36 GMT -5
Sadly he probably was.........but I didn't have the greatest childhood either and I try to fix everything with what went wrong with my childhood with my children because I don't want them to have to live what I had to live through........but your right, some people are beyond saving.........it's sad the pain they inflict on others because of it and saddest of all that it's the young ones who pay the ultimate price for it. You would think once one becomes an adult and can choose how they live their life, and what path they want to take, that they would make better decisions and try and make a better life for themselves but some people never learn the lesson. I hate the fact that I had a horrible childhood and it has made me do alot of things I wished I had never done, but I learned from my mistakes, after making them several times on some of them, but I try and learn from them and not repeat them again. I guess what I am trying to say is people, once they become adults know right from wrong, have the power to make things better and not to cop out and use how they grew up as an excuse for their behaviours. My mom does that and it drives me insane sometimes, but I also understand that there are severe forms of child abuse that people have had to endure and cannot overcome, but to hurt a baby like that? ::shudders::
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Angry
Oct 23, 2003 0:11:41 GMT -5
Post by Anastas on Oct 23, 2003 0:11:41 GMT -5
Some people have it so hard-wired into them that they can't even see that there is a choice not to be destructive. It's good to see that you have overcome your past, though. Hats off to ya.
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Angry
Oct 23, 2003 0:17:22 GMT -5
Post by RowanMoonWynd on Oct 23, 2003 0:17:22 GMT -5
Thanks...... ......I haven't overcome it yet but I'm trying.......grin I agree with you......people do have it ingrained in them......I guess it's just wishful thinking on my part that it can be better for them...........
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Angry
Oct 23, 2003 0:48:58 GMT -5
Post by LadyWinterWolf on Oct 23, 2003 0:48:58 GMT -5
True, many overcome abuse endured during childhood, and it's because they chose too. Then there are those who, unfortunately, suffer from a mental disability such as bipolar syndrome.
These folks also need therapy and medication to help them overcome, if they chose to do this, then they, and their loved ones benefit. If they chose to forego this, then they knowingly choose to become abusers themselves.
IMHO of course.
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Angry
Oct 23, 2003 1:02:03 GMT -5
Post by RowanMoonWynd on Oct 23, 2003 1:02:03 GMT -5
I understand firsthand since I am bipolar.......and thank you for calling it a syndrome instead of a disease........I really hate that word........ I am getting therapy for my syndrome (I like that word), but right now due to financial difficulties I have had to put my therapy on hold but when it gets really bad for me I just walk away from my family until it passes.........I love my husband very much as he has been very supportive and understanding.........it takes a very strong loving and caring person to live with someone who has bipolar disorder and I love him all the more for it........
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Angry
Oct 23, 2003 2:08:05 GMT -5
Post by RowanMoonWynd on Oct 23, 2003 2:08:05 GMT -5
I want to share something very personal with all of you. If you ever have met someone in your life who is bipolar then hopefully this will help you understand what goes through their minds and why they do the crazy things they do. Hopefully this will help, I hope so which is why I am doing it...........start with the very last entry and the bottom of the page and then work up towards the top. www.deadjournal.com/users/rowanmoonwynd
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Angry
Oct 23, 2003 2:39:40 GMT -5
Post by Hussar on Oct 23, 2003 2:39:40 GMT -5
Wow. I don't know what else to say, but thank you for sharing that with me. Having lived with a bipolar girl for about two years before that relationship self destructed, I can see how I didn't help even when I thought I was. All I can say is that I really did try to help.
(P.S. Both the lady and myself are now married to wonderful people and have remained excellent friends.)
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Angry
Oct 23, 2003 2:51:28 GMT -5
Post by RowanMoonWynd on Oct 23, 2003 2:51:28 GMT -5
;D ;DI am so happy for you and your lady friend and of course you tried to help the best way you knew how! It was why I decided to post the link, to try and help others understand what we bipolars cannot understand ourselves.
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Angry
Oct 23, 2003 4:36:22 GMT -5
Post by Draxy on Oct 23, 2003 4:36:22 GMT -5
Hi Anastas,
I REALLY wish I could agree with you, but I can't. Unless the person is so severely mentally retarded that they can not make ANY judgements, they DO damned well know that they do not have to be abusive themselves. It may be ingraned to an extent, but there is ALWAYS the knowledge that it is wrong, horrible and reprehensible or they would not try to hide it or lie about it.
The lying, the hiding it, those are the world's best tell tales that it is understood to be utterly unacceptable.
Sexual and physical abuse of children, even new borns, is far from rare. Too damned far from rare. But to have any pity at all for the abuser is to, to an extent, forgive the abuse. That I can not do. Ever. Understand it, where it comes from? Yes, to some extent anyway, but pity an abuser? Not for a second. Anything that they have visited on them in jail, by the hatred and or disdain of society; any of it, is fully and completely diserved and justified in my mind.
As might be appearant, I suffered from sexual and physical abuse as a child. One of the many scars it has left with me is what I realize to be a vastly over active sense of retributive justice. It has driven me, from the age of 12, to work my body past it's limits (which, paradoxicly may have saved my life recently in a traffic accident... the doctors told me that if I weren't so muscularly developed I would very likely have had my neck snapped in the wreck) to ignore both physical and mental pain to an absolutely self destructive extent.
Only now, 30 years after the last of the abuse, am I beginning to allow myself to feel and recognise pain and react to it. Only now am I allowing myself to express my anger instead of swallowing it, as I did for so long.
I refuse to ever even spank my children and rarely even raise my voice at them, even though I am still not convinced that this is always a good idea, for fear of the beast that might lurk within me.
Even those people who survive abuse are inextricably scared by it. Always. I have 0not met one person yet who suffered major abuse as a child who has completely recovered from it. You can learn to be a productive member of society. You can learn to be a damned good parent. You can even learn to live with the abuse... but it always leaves it scars. Those are hard to forgive.
Draxy
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Angry
Oct 23, 2003 19:06:38 GMT -5
Post by LadyWinterWolf on Oct 23, 2003 19:06:38 GMT -5
My ex is bipolar, went through many years of emotional and mental abuse by him, always hoping that the therapy would help, that he would take his meds, that I could save the marriage.
Then the physical abuse started, just small things at first, being knocked into furniture and walls, tripped, being punched in the arm. But I still kept telling myself, the therapy and meds would make it better.
One day, he tried to strangle our son...I was too scared to call the police, afraid they would take our son away from us. So at the next therapy meeting, my ex admitted that all this time, he wasn't even taking his meds, and he thought all this therapy was a crock of s***. The therapist looked me straight in the face and said, "File for divorce....NOW!!!"
I know a lot of people at the old site I frequented accused me of being a loonie, mentally sick......sorry, good try folks, but I proved I was the one that was ok in the mind.......I didn't commit suicide like I had wanted to at times. I was foolish for believing that I could help this man, make the marriage work....but he is the one that is mentally sick, not me.....and it's his CHOICE to be this way.
So, this is my own opinion, but when someone knows they have an illness, whether physical or mental, and they CHOOSE not to treat it.......then my sympathy for them goes out the window.
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Angry
Oct 23, 2003 19:13:51 GMT -5
Post by Cora Goldstar on Oct 23, 2003 19:13:51 GMT -5
.............dont have anything to say about this i dont wanna think bout it
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Angry
Oct 23, 2003 21:20:47 GMT -5
Post by RowanMoonWynd on Oct 23, 2003 21:20:47 GMT -5
((((((((((((((((((((LWW)))))))))))))))))))))
I am so sorry that you and your son had to go through such abuse. I do not agree with what your ex did to you and thankfully you got out of it. I know before I found out I was bipolar my husband suffered abuse from me, I was just thankful there was an explanation (although I was angry that I had this godforsaken disease) that there was something that could be done to help me. I'm not saying I'm perfect and I still don't have my times, but compared to what it used to be it's paradise around here. I know my family is precious to me and I do not want to loose them. Sadly your ex didn't realise the same.
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Angry
Oct 24, 2003 3:19:49 GMT -5
Post by Anastas on Oct 24, 2003 3:19:49 GMT -5
Herein lies the problem, there are mental problems that don't necessarily qualify as retardation where there genuinely is an inability to determine right from wrong. Likewise, the lying and deception is very often more about manipulating and controlling others for ones own amusement. This is especially true with psychopaths in both cases.
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