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Post by ShonenSenshiDave on Nov 3, 2003 22:24:39 GMT -5
Question number two: If so many of these words (just to give two from my own post, Samhain and Tao) are transliterated as well as translated, why aren't they spelled more phonetically? It's mainly out of a sense of respect. These are terms which have a deep-seated meaning for the cultures from which they are adopted, and to change them willy-nilly shows a lack of respect for those traditions, IMHO. So for someone who celebrates Samhain (pronounced "SOW-in"), it is a respect for the history and tradition of that holiday. Hence the reason I am struggling to learn the ancient Greek phrases used during my rituals; it shows a respect for the Gods and the history and culture associated with Them; to do any less is an insult, IMHO.
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Post by ShonenSenshiDave on Nov 3, 2003 22:32:24 GMT -5
I have to say that the easiness of the read of any ancient wisdom text is dependant largely on the particular translation you're reading unless you're actually reading it in the original language (in which case, you are very talented and a very dedicated student too). I bought a cheap Dover Press edition of the Tao Te Ching that was a reprint of an old Oxford University Press edition of the book from about 1900. The language was so clunky that I never made it all the way through. I found a version translated by Thomas Cleary, whose translation of the Dhammapada I had previously read. That one was sheer joy to read. I think it's also dependant on what you want to accomplish. A former sensei of mine once said "Nothing worth doing is ever easy", and I agree. If you are a Recon, you'll trudge through the old texts, the anthropolgy, the history and the literature in order to get a fuller picture of how the Gods were properly worshiped in ancient times. This in turn leads to a better understanding of how the Gods can be worshiped today while maintaining the accuracy and tradition of the Gods. This is especially important in my and LWW's path; ancient Greeks saw tradition and the following of tradition as the epitome of piety; to cast it off today because one does not wish to do the work would be serious eusebia (impiety) and is an insult to the Gods.
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Post by khyron1144 on Nov 4, 2003 20:39:49 GMT -5
Thank you ShonenSenshiDave.
I respect and apreciate your answers.
I think I need to clarify my point in that question: These are words that originally came from a language that uses an alphabet other than the Latin one that most westerners use. Since they are being changed from one alphabet to another, why not make it easy on us and spell them phonetically?
To give an example: In recent years a new system for transliterating Chinese was created. Under this new system, the word Tao changes to Dao, which is a spelling closer to the actual pronounciation. It is still often written as Tao, particularly in book titles, because the old (and less correct) transliteration has become sort of established and difficult to change.
I hope I'm not coming across too pushy and impatient and full of myself. I just think that things should be somewhat easy to understand.
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Post by Stone on Nov 6, 2003 20:19:03 GMT -5
Esterics also known as the druids of todays world. I wish to learn more about this practice i find only meger books confusing witch craft with Esterics if you have info or links that would help me become one with nature.
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Post by LadyWinterWolf on Nov 6, 2003 20:37:00 GMT -5
www.esotericpublishing.com/links.htmlThis link will lead you to books and articles on Esoterics.....as to being a Druid, you might want to pm one of our members here, Kafen, for he is on the Druidic path himself.
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Post by Stone on Nov 6, 2003 23:34:38 GMT -5
ty for the site alltho thay seemd to want you to buy books too see any of the topics i will also try Kafen ty vm LWW
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Post by LadyWinterWolf on Nov 7, 2003 5:36:13 GMT -5
Sorry, but most of the links I got through the search engine that were promoting books on Esoterics.
Here's something on Druidism though, and there are various articles to read on the link also.www.llewellynencyclopedia.com/term.php?id=57 Druidism is the cultural and spiritual heritage of the Celtic peoples, a polytheistic religion originating in the archaic proto-Indo-European past. It was carried into Western Europe by Indo-European tribes speaking Celtic dialects. Druidism is a spiritual path in harmony with the natural flow of the cosmos. It is one of the many folk or “earth” religions that can bring us back into reverence for living things and the disciplines of hard work, productivity, physical strength and health. It beckons us to follow the wisdom of our ancestors.
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Post by ShonenSenshiDave on Nov 7, 2003 6:57:41 GMT -5
Khyron: I don't have the answer <shrug> Personally I prefer the challenge, but that's just me...
Stonehealer: Esoterics are NOT the same as Druids. Trust me on this one. If you want a nature-based religion, there's Wicca, Druidism, Shamanism and a few other paths. Esoterics are Mystics in the loosest sense of the word. Lamias, Atlantis, Madame Blatlavsky... <shudder> generally anyone who wants your money before giving you any information ought to be avoided in the first place.
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Post by LadyWinterWolf on Nov 7, 2003 8:40:08 GMT -5
Stonehealer: Esoterics are NOT the same as Druids. Trust me on this one. If you want a nature-based religion, there's Wicca, Druidism, Shamanism and a few other paths. Esoterics are Mystics in the loosest sense of the word. Lamias, Atlantis, Madame Blatlavsky... <shudder> generally anyone who wants your money before giving you any information ought to be avoided in the first place. This probably explains why every link I looked at for Esoterics was "you need to buy this", or "you need to take this class", and it all had price tags attached to it. StoneHealer, I'd go with SSD's advice here if I were you. Thanks SSD.
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Post by ShonenSenshiDave on Nov 7, 2003 10:04:04 GMT -5
http://www.theosophical.org/theosophy/faqs/index.html#Q1
here's some additional info. i did some searching, and this is really strange. on one hand, they seem to embrace occultism and spiritualism, but anything that relates to some sort of organized religion is "bad". for example, they don't believe in chakras, Qabalah, et al, even though it would appear that a good number of their beliefs are taken from Eastern religions and Qabalah. Add into that the whole thing about Lamias, the existance of Atlantis, and each person being a Deity... there's something here I really don't trust at all.
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Post by Stone on Nov 7, 2003 10:26:56 GMT -5
too true all of it as it seems the duids of today are nuthin but fakes as well as money hungry ty for the advice im sure thare are good druids out thare i will keep looking for info mabye thare is a clan out thare that has not lost thare way to teach me i will allso look up on the outher options you have givin me ty
p.s bad speller
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Post by ShonenSenshiDave on Nov 7, 2003 10:50:45 GMT -5
Please, let's not confuse Esotericism with Druidism; they are not one and the same. Druids revere nature and have a history dating back to the time of the Romans, while this Esotericism is a modern creation based on several different paths, with some emphasis on the Divinity of man, Eastern Religion, etc. Not all Pagan and Mystic faiths are the same, Stonehealer. Check out the Witches' Voice Link I sent you for more info!
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Post by LadyWinterWolf on Nov 13, 2003 4:43:22 GMT -5
reiki.7gen.com/What is Reiki?Reiki is one of the more widely known forms of energy healing. Energy Healing involves direct application of Chi for the purpose of strengthening the clients energy system (aura). Chi is the term used by the Chinese mystics and martial artists for the underlying force the Universe is made of. Mystics in all cultures have talked about the physical universe being made of an underlying form of something, much as modern physics research is now coming to understand the Universe is made of energy which is subject to (or affected by) thought. Just as modern physics says this energy is affected by thought the mystics also say this underlying form is affected by thought, going so far as to claim we create our own reality from our thinking and the thoughts we share between each of us every day. Stop and reflect for a moment. Imagine the implications of the universe around us made from energy which can be shaped and manipulated by thoughts. This is the implication of both Quantum Physics and ancient Metaphysics. Might this make some diseases easier to explain, especially those which have no apparent physical cause? Might this make miraculous cures easier to explain? For example there was research study done a couple years ago showing that prayer improves the health of those who are prayed for, the focus of intent in prayer sends thoughts out in the form of "I wish such-and-so to happen", so if the world is energy subject to the power of thought then prayers must work (depending on how clearly and carefully you hold and elaborate on the prayers or thoughts). Remember this while reading here about Reiki. Reiki is very easily learned, very simple to use, and beneficial for all. It is one of many forms of healing through the use of the natural forces which were given the name Chi by ancient chinese mystics. Some forms of healing using Chi energy forces are Chi Gong, Pranic Healing, Chelation (as taught by Brabara Brennan and Rosalyn Bruyere), and Polarity Balancing. All (apparently) use the same energies, with the difference being techniques of application and an energy quality commonly known as vibration. (This term vibration is widely used in the "New Age" community to refer to the range in experience between the dense or low vibration of the physical world to the high vibration of the highest spiritual expression; while the term is inadequate to truly describe the differences, and while Reality is probably not a simple bipolar scale of experience, the term is descriptive of how the energy feels). I'm reluctant to definitively say Reiki uses Chi because I am not an expert on what the Chinese mean by this word. To my eye the force referred to with the name Chi is the same as Prana, Orgone, Odic, they are all names for the same force. Since the word Reiki means Universal Life Force Energy, it (strictly speaking) refers to the energy and not the specific techniques taught by Reiki Masters. The techniques are more properly called the Usui System of Natural Healing after the founder of the system, Dr. Mikao Usui. However as Reiki is the common name, and a fine name at that, this is the name we will use here. A Reiki healing is very simply performed. The practitioner places his or her hands upon the person to be healed with the intent for healing to occur, and then the energy begins flowing. The Reiki energy is smart since the Universe is a very smart place indeed. The energy knows where to go, and what to do once it gets there, or else is being directed by a higher intelligence. The energy manages its own flow to and within the recipient. It draws through the healer exactly that amount of energy which the recipient needs. All this happens without direct conscious intervention by the healer. The healers job is to get out of the way, to keep the healing space open, and to watch/listen for signs of what to do next.
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Post by khyron1144 on Nov 13, 2003 11:48:16 GMT -5
I hope this isn't spammy or side tracking things:
A lot of people around me are Reiki practitioners: My mom, my younger brother, and the pagan lady that I do volunteer work for.
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Post by Sharess on Nov 17, 2003 15:21:29 GMT -5
I have a "Divinity Readings" thread here in General Chat, but I was wondering if anyone else does readings? What tools do you normally use? YES I do. I mainly ues crystals but the last reading I did for a "friend"( and I ues to term loosely) literly broke my crystals. It must have been his"pet" demon. I'm a natual witch my self but I have study many forms of magic: heavenly, earth , water, white, black(Never use it but they say knowledge is power and I like knowing what others may try to do) demonlogy,and my personal favorite is the Fay way (it a little silly but fun to read) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- As for call animals they are as folllows: 1) A large black panther, he's one of my inner warroirs 2) A phoenix, she helps me stay balanced and is a spitit protector from evil 3) a large dragon, he helps me fight off bad things I also have a mouse and a bunch of cats that follow me around when I go astral hopping what they do or what they want I don't know as of yet but they seem to like me. What I do isn't evil or bad i hope i just have a need to protect others and i have a list of a few people that protect at any means nesscary. Unforchenly one of them uese his power in very bad ways and needs to be proctected from very evil things and geuss what I'm always the sucker he calls. Hey Lady or any body eles do any of you happen to know a binding spell i got to stop him form hurting himself and messing up my charam. If you need any more info let me know and i shall provide.
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