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Post by Galadon on Oct 20, 2003 16:02:45 GMT -5
In this country only, mainly because of cultural differences,
Do women or men have it easier in life. To make it more interesting include everything Men or women have to put up with.
Men or women and please state why you believe that way.
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Post by CharleHu$$tle on Oct 20, 2003 16:12:49 GMT -5
Women have it so Much easier then men.
All they do is sit around eating bon bons and Watching Oprah
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Post by Wyrmfire on Oct 20, 2003 16:15:44 GMT -5
I have to go with men, I think. If I wear glasses and a Star Wars T-shirt, all society expects me to do is be really good around computers (which I am, sort of). Most of the nasty sexist policies against us have gone out of style, and I think society has progressed to the point where we can safely hold a door open for a woman again...
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Post by Little Blue Dragon on Oct 20, 2003 16:19:12 GMT -5
Women have it so Much easier then men. All they do is sit around eating bon bons and Watching Oprah C$ you are extremely disillusioned!
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Post by OceanWhysper on Oct 20, 2003 16:53:50 GMT -5
Laughing C$............For one BonBon's are nasty.... And secondly, I personally think neither sex has it better then the other. Each has their own BS they have to deal with. Such as sterotypes (TY C$ ) and descrimination.
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Post by CharleHu$$tle on Oct 20, 2003 16:57:48 GMT -5
I'll be honest women are lazy. the only time they want to do anything is when you take them out and spend money on them.
hence I started pimpin and swithced the game on them
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Post by OceanWhysper on Oct 20, 2003 17:10:11 GMT -5
Smiles....I will not deny that some women are that way. Although I have also seen men that are that way also. I don't think it's so much the gender of the person but the personalilty of them. You can never simply and easily, in the real world, lump people into catagories. It short changes them and you in the long run.
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Post by CharleHu$$tle on Oct 20, 2003 17:37:36 GMT -5
Ah WHo cares.
Look at it realisticly. Women get it much easier in the long run.
If you get knocked up the man has to work why you don't or if it's a loser father then the goverment pays your way.
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Post by venatus on Oct 20, 2003 17:42:31 GMT -5
I agree with ocean whysper each gender has there own stuff that they put up with that the other doesn't and if one truly does have it easier than it's by such a small amount that it doesn't matter.
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Post by OceanWhysper on Oct 20, 2003 17:49:19 GMT -5
C$ just because a woman becomes pregnant, doesn’t mean she can’t work, unless there is a medical problem that says otherwise. As for dead beat fathers, that simple strengthens my position on both males and females having the personality to be lazy. Not because of their gender but because of other factors. The government pays for many things. Although I don't see the relevance to this discussion of welfare, I do however understand your meaning. Still I stand firm with the opinion the personality makes one lazy or not, NOT gender. ;D
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Post by Loki3 on Oct 21, 2003 10:49:57 GMT -5
One of the most retarded things Ive seen in a forum in a long time.
Another ignorant, and backwars thing seen.
I think something deeply psycologically repressive is trying to come out in this post Charlie.
Frankly I see a pattern here, not your posts about women, but your general like to stir the crap mentality, and then playing all innocent or "gee your taking it wrong" replies.
I will tell you what I think.
Who has it easier......... well lets see here.
MEN Men historically have been the bread winners, usually working and then bringing the money home, while the wife keeps care of the kids. The man "historically" was the one to ensure that the wife had the means to take care of the home, the kids, the bills, and whatever other domestic things were needed. And to this day this is th situation in alot of the homes.
WOMEN Women "historically" have been the ones to be at home, take care of the home, the children and ensure that the domestic bliss was kept to the status quo. Cooking, cleaning, laundry, dusting, washing, shopping for groceries, handling kids fighting, making sure homework was done, getting kids off to school, etc......
My opinion used to be Gee......... it must be nice to sit at home, while I work. Do some cleaning and then watch TV all day. Well when I and my wife divorced, and I had my 2 girls then I got a taste of what it was like to be the "house wife"
I can say with a objective and educted opinion. Us Men have it alot easier on the "average"
"On Average" is the key term. Yes there are situations like m where we do it all as men, and vice versa with women. So the wuestion is actually redundant because there is no clear answer that is right or wrong. Every situation on average is not the same.
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Post by Galadon on Oct 21, 2003 11:51:35 GMT -5
I like ocean whysper and Loki3 post. Some may think this is a one way question. Men say women have it easier and women say men.
I have been travelling for 20 years and in this country women have the ability to get free dinner and drinks off men, but if the men buy the women drinks and dinner there is no right to complain, women still have to put up with crap men give them if they want free drink and dinner.
The old myth still holds true today. I have meet men who think "If I buy her dinner I might get lucky." I just shake my head and think, poor guy. Instead of wasteing your money and time. Why not try to get to know the women and treat them like a human. Who knows what might happen. But that makes to much sense.
On a general level I don't think either sex has it easier. That's why this country is as great as it is, freedom. Men and women can be presidents of universities, and be CEO of corporation, high level political figures. There are just as many bad women as there are men.
The only thing I won't change my mind on is, can you do the job. Do you have the qualification and ability to perform the job correctly. If you want to work for the fire department but can't carry a 50 lb hose up 5 fights of stairs in a burning building. Then you shouldn't be working there no matter what sex you are.
In sports I don't see why men and women are separated like in tennis and golf. How many men would defeat Venus or Serina Williams. Will there is only one reason they are separated, tradition.
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Post by Challenger on Oct 21, 2003 12:30:52 GMT -5
There are some sports where you just can't have boys and girls playing along side each other (Rugby for example for several obvious reasons)
In England I can realy only comment on how it is in school as I'm still in 6 form (16-18year olds)
There doesn't seems to be much descrimination though the girls did have a moan (Justly) about not being entered for the "If your failing because your a lazy ass/cutting class you get a lap top" scheme.
Basicly the failing lads (Those who were failing dispite being smart) got given lap tops to try and make them work harder. Girls weren't even entered into the picking phase as satistics apparently had proven they were better workers and didn't need the boast. While I see the girls point its still kinda ammusing to hear them moaning about the government thinking they were inteligent.
The exception is in sports most of which is set up by the students
In our school theres a good reason girls are not allowed to play along side the lads if the lads get any say in it. (Which bar hockey they do) And it is sexist but then its their fault in this case. Lads take football and cricket seriously its do or die and we tend to play until the bitter end or injurys put use out. (Heck our tutor group football team had a goal keeper with one dead knee and a busted shoulder, our winger was limping due to a hard tackle and our midfielder was 45 or so and we all kept playing.) The girls on the other hand left the pitch at half time because they couldn't be bothered to carry on at 2 nill down. After five years of this you can see why we all refused to do anything about Burtons refusal to allow girls to play in his team (Daft thing was he was turning down the only girl likely to keep playing and she was highly skilled)
However profesionaly the only girl I've played alongside showed the attitued and ability needed (She was better than I was at her age) and as I'd guess the other women players are similar I see little reason to seperate them anymore.
Challenger
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Post by Ahnemesis on Oct 21, 2003 12:41:01 GMT -5
I would say neither one has it better or worse over the other. A man worrys just like a woman if he can't make things happen for those he has to care for. if he is alone...he doesn't worry as much, if ever because it's just him. If he fails or things go wrong, no one but himself gets hit. They say women are the ones who worry the most. I can agree with this first hand because of being a woman. But, I have to say that no one sex has it easier than the other. Responsibility falls to us all. How we deal with it is up to us.
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Post by Merkuri on Oct 21, 2003 12:41:06 GMT -5
*thwaps C$* Now that that's done... ...Well this depends on a lot of factors, I think. Obviously, if you took a rich man and a poor woman and compared them the man would have it easier, and vice versa. If you put them on equal footing financially you still have a couple different factors. Let's assume that we have a couple who willingly conform to the social stereotypes of man = breadwinner and woman = homekeeper. In this case I think they both have it about equal. The woman's "work" is keeping the house clean, the kids fed, etc. and the man's "work" is to bring home the paycheck and keep the mechanics of the house running. The duties are about evenly spread, although this depends on the number of children and what kind of work the man does. Now, let's take this couple apart, same situation. Both have it a lot harder. The woman now has to go out and find income, and the man has to spend more time on his kids and the upkeep of the house. The work for both has nearly doubled. Of course, what usually happens is that only one parent will end up with the children, and that usually is the mother. I think there's no question that a single woman with children has it much harder than a single man without children. Now, if the man had the kids, at first glance he'd be in about the same situation. However, women are still paid less on average for the same job than men, so the average single mother would be running on a lower income than the average single father. Of course, this isn't always true and the gap between male and female salaries is slowly closing. So, at the moment single women have it harder than single men because they usually end up with the kids and they usually get paid less on average. Now, this was supposing that our example man and woman were conforming to the male and female stereotypes. Let's turn the tables and assume they're not. For a woman, not conforming to the stereotype means leaving the house and getting a job, wearing pants, and being agressive. Nowadays this isn't as hard as it used to be. Many families exist where both parents work (though the effect on their children is something that hasn't thoroughly been explored), pants has essentially become the norm for female clothing, and the idea of an agressive woman isn't nearly as offensive as it used to be. Due to feminist movements and a general drift of society towards equality it's not all that hard for a woman to act in a non-feminine manner anymore. Now, for men, not conforming to the stereotype means staying at home with the kids, being emotional, and passive. A man without a job is looked down on. He can be ridiculed if his wife "brings home the bacon." He's seen as weak for not providing for his family. A man who shows his emotions is also ridiculed. Who's the last guy you've seen bawling at a movie? And a man wearing a dress?? That's so taboo that the men who do so aren't just ridiculed, they're considered freaks by most of the population. So men actually have it much worse than women when it comes to deviating from the stereotype. Wow, that was longer than I thought it would be. Sorry for the rambling, folks.
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